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Re: Baha'i Exclusivism

by Foucaultian <drfosternotfromgloucester@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 08:36 PM

On May 13, 7:46 pm, macl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 quoted:

> When asked on one occasion: "What is a Bah=E1'=ED?" 'Abdu'l-Bah=E1
replied~$t
:
> "To be a Bah=E1'=ED simply means to love all the world; to love humanity
> and try to serve it; to work for universal peace and universal
> brotherhood." On another occasion He defined a Bah=E1'=ED as "one
endowed
> with all the perfections of man in activity." In one of His London
> talks He said that a man may be a Bah=E1'=ED even if He has never heard
> the name of Bah=E1'u'll=E1h. He added:  --  The man who lives the life
> according to the teachings of Bah=E1'u'll=E1h is already a Bah=E1'=ED.
On ~$t
th
> e
> other hand, a man may call himself a Bah=E1'=ED for fifty years, and if
he~$t

> does not live the life he is not a Bah=E1'=ED.
>
>         (Dr. J.E. Esslemont, Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 71)

That is the one

> I have more trouble finding a definition of a Baha'i by Shoghi
> Effendi I know of

I was thinking of the definition which was incor****ated, with some
modifications, onto the various versions of the American Baha'i
enrollment card, i.e., accepting the Covenant, administration, etc.

> be regarded a true believer or not. Full recognition of the station of
> the Forerunner, the Author, and the True Exemplar of the Bah=E1'=ED
Cause,~$t

> as set forth in 'Abdu'l-Bah=E1's Testament; unreserved acceptance of,
> and submission to, whatsoever has been revealed by their Pen; loyal
> and steadfast adherence to every clause of our Beloved's sacred Will;
> and close association with the spirit as well as the form of the
> present day Bah=E1'=ED administration throughout the world - these I
> conceive to be the fundamental and primary considerations that must be
> fairly, discreetly and thoughtfully ascertained before reaching such a
> vital decision.
>         (Shoghi Effendi, Extracts from the USBN)

Yes, the Guardian was defining the requirements for member****p in the
Baha'i Faith. `Abdu'l-Baha, on the other hand, appears to me to have
defined a Baha'i in terms of certain virtues.

> This however seems to be criteria for enrolment which again is not the
> same as a definition.

Since Shoghi Effendi was developing the administrative order, his
concern appears to have been different from `Abdu'l-Baha's.

> It seems to me that as with most words 'Baha'i' has a range of
> meanings and one sghould be careful not to define it but to
> familiarise oneself with it.

It seems to be used differently, depending on the context.

Mark Foster
 




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Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-25 07:28:30 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
diamondsouled <rowe@[E  2008-04-25 11:56:16 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-11 12:16:41 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-11 15:57:12 
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foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-11 15:00:47 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-12 21:38:35 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-11 15:45:12 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-12 20:07:14 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-13 08:37:04 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-13 15:36:04 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-13 20:48:46 
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macleod@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 17:16:28 
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macleod@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 17:46:59 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-13 20:11:13 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-13 20:27:10 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-14 08:11:21 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-14 16:43:49 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-14 22:34:40 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-13 20:36:33 
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macleod@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 06:49:04 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-14 10:14:06 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-14 22:19:30 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-14 07:38:55 
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Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-14 14:06:52 
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"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-15 08:59:34 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-15 12:18:57 
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"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-15 20:58:03 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 08:14:52 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-15 12:29:14 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
Foucaultian <drfostern  2008-05-15 19:50:04 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-15 23:58:55 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 08:24:06 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 09:39:28 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 12:52:00 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 12:01:28 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Kent Johnson"   2008-05-16 14:05:19 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 13:27:57 
Re: Baha'i Exclusivism
"Susan Maneck"   2008-05-16 13:27:57 

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