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Re: Covenant Breakers

by "Kent Johnson" <kent@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 07:31 AM

Hi Bill,

It seems to me that if we are to say that being a Covenant Breaker is a 
spiritual disease, but we all have spiritual diseases, what it says is
about 
being a Covenant Breaker is notsomuch.

The larger point is that interpretation of our Writings is not a 
word-for-word exercise.  In context I believe the Writings are clear that 
the "disease" or "poison" that we have labeled "Covenant Breaking" is not
a 
specific "poison" or "disease".  The point is that Covenant Breaking is 
*like* a disease that is spiritual, not physical.  It is *like* a poison
for 
the soul.

I believe that the Writings are exceedingly clear on this subject since 
there is no specific diagnosis, no other specific disease or poison that
is 
spiritual.

So if Covenant Breaking is a "disease" then what is the cause?  What is
the 
cure?  If we all have spiritual diseases, what are the causes and cures of

them?  If we have no spiritual doctors to catalog and diagnose spiritual 
illnesses then these diseases are better viewed as simile until the
catalog 
exists.  I believe this was the intent according to my interpretation of
the 
Baha'i Writings on the subject.

Thanks for reading.  --Kent

"Bill Hyman" <pcstv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:LcidnbNiSZukhZLVnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Not to me.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 4/22/08 9:44 AM, "Kent Johnson" <kent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> Kind of makes Covenant Breaking as a spiritual disease meaningless.
>>
>> --Kent
>>
>> "Bill Hyman" <pcstv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:R-6dneBJxs840ZPVnZ2dnUVZ_sKqnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Aren't we all spiritually diseased to some extent? Isn't it more a 
>>> matter
>>> of
>>> degree and contagion? No-one I know is perfect. Is that not why unity
is
>>> emphasized within the Faith? One thing I have learned the hard way as
a
>>> Baha'i, is that unity is more im****tant than one's opinion that one is
>>> right, even should that opinion be correct.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/22/08 1:28 AM, "Kent Johnson" <kent@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know, Paul, but according to what we read here one has a
>>>> "spiritual
>>>> disease" and the other doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> --Kent
>>>>
>>>> "Paul Bartlett" <bartlett@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> news:aYGdnd7pOLSip5DVnZ2dnUVZ_sytnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> One thing is not clear to me.  What is the difference between a
>>>>> declaration by the UHJ that one is a Covenant Breaker and an order
>>>>> from the UHJ to an NSA to involuntarily disenroll an individual?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Paul Bartlett
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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 26 Posts in Topic:
Re: Covenant Breakers
Bill Hyman <pcstv@[EMA  2008-04-22 15:48:39 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-23 07:31:22 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-23 18:42:25 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-23 22:06:21 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-24 00:16:39 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-24 11:37:31 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-24 11:29:37 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-24 14:52:17 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-24 14:34:25 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-24 18:39:38 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-24 18:10:08 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-24 22:57:25 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-25 09:17:45 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Richard H. Gravelly  2008-04-25 09:22:42 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Richard H. Gravelly  2008-04-25 09:22:42 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-25 17:47:06 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-25 13:09:26 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-25 23:46:05 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-26 08:09:48 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Richard H. Gravelly  2008-04-28 12:35:47 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Kent Johnson"   2008-04-28 19:07:55 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Richard H. Gravelly  2008-04-29 04:52:04 
Re: Covenant Breakers
Douglas McAdam <dougla  2008-04-26 09:48:27 
Re: Covenant Breakers
tsuki190 <tsuki190@[EM  2008-04-26 07:53:27 
Re: Covenant Breakers
"Susan Maneck"   2008-04-26 12:14:42 
Re: Covenant Breakers
giovanni_cuad@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-28 10:03:48 

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