http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/ $ en-us Copyright 2003-2005, Talk About Network. All Rights Reserved. 2008-07-25T20:07:01+00:00 TAN rss@talkaboutnetwork.com Discussion hourly 1 1970-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://tan12.talkaboutnetwork.com/images/spacer.gif http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/ http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60307.html As to the intention of the Prophets, all I can say is the Writings seem to be saying the Manifestation recreates and endows Creation with a new potential. I doubt He could do this without knowing what creation is all about for there are laws to ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-25T18:12:28+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60302.html Or could it be possible that we already have had the answer revealed by the Manifestation and the sciences will eventually prove it? What did Bahaullah reveal in this regard and where did He reveal it? Hi Susan- I dont know and am not interes... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-25T15:44:34+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60294.html Or could it be possible that we already have had the answer revealed by the Manifestation and the sciences will eventually prove it? What did Bahaullah reveal in this regard and where did He reveal it? Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-25T13:47:09+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60293.html No one but perhaps you is claiming that the entire books are wrong. Kent, I *never* said the entire books were wrong. What I said is that without the Persian transcripts we cant know what is right or wrong. Sorry, the burden of proof would be o... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-25T13:45:59+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60282.html On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Douglas McAdam douglasmcadam@sbcglobal.net wrote: Dear Susan- Why is it a problem from a scientific viewpoint? Scientific means that the results were obtained by scientific method and yet those same results are a... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T20:11:09+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60272.html om wrote: Hi Susan, ...we cant be sure of what Abdul-Baha said. Are you saying that specifically about P. 359 of PUP? Dear Kent, Im saying it is true of any talk which we do not have the original transcript to compare it against. If you can fi... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T15:15:26+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60270.html According to the quote in question he also said that man was never an animal. And that is the important distinction to me. Dear Doug, And that is what is problematic from a scientific standpoint. So how did the idea that man descended from an ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T15:04:17+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60264.html Im not up to date on science but I seem to recall that there are gaps in the theory of evolution that have not been explained. Dear Doug, Thats not what Abdul-Baha is reported to have said. He indicated we supposedly had all the links but one. ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T11:36:33+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60263.html Dear Doug, What the Guardian says is that we were always *potentially* man. I dont think that precludes having a common ancestor with the apes. In the end, however, this is a question which must be resolved by science, not religion. warmest, Susan ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T11:32:51+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60262.html Can you give an example of an ethical application and one of matters of doctrine, law or making definitive statements about the Bahai Teachings? I think I agree but I need some clarification. Dear Doug, As I recall this whole discussion came u... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T11:31:11+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60257.html I disagree on two counts. The issue is not that we dont know what He sa id but rather if the transcript of what He said is (what Mark calls) scriptural, if it holds authority for believers. Dear Kent, Both things are at issue. The reason those ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T09:42:20+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60247.html On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Kent Johnson kent@compx2.com wrote: Hi Susan, I ask if you know which texts are authenticated or not Dear Kent, No, that isnt what you asked. What you asked is the following: Are you saying that those which ar... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T02:59:52+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60246.html Dear Kent, It was Gilberto who called Abdul-Baha a creationist, not me. warmest, Susan On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Kent Johnson kent@compx2.com wrote: Hi Susan, I would not call what I read in Some Answered Questions (authenticated texts... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-24T02:51:20+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60241.html The issue is that we dont know what Abdul-Baha was referring to since we dont know what he actually said in that talk. No Bahai theories of human development can be based on that talk because we dont know what was actually said. This would be an ex... tsuki190 lttsuki190@[EMAIL PROTECTED] gt... Discussion 2008-07-23T09:50:12+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60235.html Im curious. What do you see wrong with this, is it that the important link is absent or that it will never be found? It is not even clear what Abdul-Baha meant by a missing link. Our evolution is a series of links. warmest, Susan Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-22T20:26:35+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60234.html Are you saying that those which are authenticated are correct, but many of those which are not authenticated are wrong? Dear Kent, Im not addressing that question one way or the other here. Im merely answering your question as to whether I think ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-22T20:24:41+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60233.html Or is it more likely that Abdul-Baha was basically a creationist, but if he was wrong it was because whatever infallibility he may have possessed did not extent to anthropology? Something else? Dear Gilberto, No, He wasnt a creationist. He def... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-22T20:21:39+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60227.html But then what is the relevant issue behind that passage? Are you trying to say that Abdul-Baha was actually a believer in Darwinian evolution but that whoever recorded and transcribed the passage below somehow was totally confused about the intention... Gilberto Simpson ltgilberto.simpson@[EMA... Discussion 2008-07-22T00:48:33+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60226.html But then what is the relevant issue behind that passage? Are you trying to say that Abdul-Baha was actually a believer in Darwinian evolution but that whoever recorded and transcribed the passage below somehow was totally confused about the intention... Gilberto Simpson ltgilberto.simpson@[EMA... Discussion 2008-07-22T00:48:33+00:00 http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/messages/60222.html Can you name anything in either PUP or Paris Talks that you think is definitely wrong? I would say that from a scientific standpoint this is wrong: The lost link of Darwinian theory is itself a proof that man is not an animal. How is it possible ... Susan Maneck ltsmaneck@[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Discussion 2008-07-21T16:06:02+00:00 Search talkaboutreligion.com Bahai II q http://talkaboutreligion.com/group/soc.religion.bahai/search.html