rogue wrote:
> On May 22, 7:31 am, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> rogue wrote:
>> > monkfish wrote:
>> >> rogue wrote:
>>
>> >> > So, you are not saved by grace alone. ;-) Better get busy on
those
>> >> > works, Carl. I'm sure we can recommend a soup kitchen you can
work
>> >> > at
>> >> > helping those less fortunate than you. Jesus says helping those
>> >> > less fortunate than you is a requirement to be saved, remember?
>>
>> >> By His Grace, you will naturally do all those things.
>> >> You must have missed the "not to worry" part.
>> >> Do try to read the book as a whole, please.
>>
>> > JERRY
>> > Already read it. That's why I know it's not true.
>>
>> What is not true?
>> Is the Bible supposed to be true?
>> If so, in what sense of 'true'?
>>
>> Do you even know
>> how many different senses of 'true' there are?
>>
> JERRY
> therein lies the problem: theists don't know that "truth" is
> subjective. Facts are objective, but may need interpretation.
> Evolution is an example. Evolution is a fact. It's been reproduced
> and witnessed in the lab, in the wild and in the fossil record.
> Biblical literalists still believe that it's not true and that the
> first man and woman lived in a garden with a talking s****. Though
> they have never seen a talking s**** (outside of a Harry Potter movie,
> that is), though there isn't a shred of evidence to sup****t the Garden
> of Eden myth they find that to be "truth." The facts are ignored and
> are not considered "truth."
>
> Here are the facts.
> The bible is not historically accurate. Archaeology shows that at the
> time Joshua arrived at Jericho the walls were already down. There is
> not a shred of evidence to sup****t the Exodus story, and in fact
> Egyptologists say that slavery as depicted in the Exodus story didn't
> exist in Egypt at the time the events were supposed to have occurred.
> There is no evidence to sup****t the Ten Plagues.
>
> Here is another fact: the bible prophecies the destruction of the
> island city of Tyre at the hands of the Babylonian king,
> Nebuchadnezzar. Not only that, but the prophecy was that Nebs would
> make the island city like a place uninhabited, then scraped bare as a
> rock and it would be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of
> the sea, then the Deep would come and carry it away where it would
> never be seen again. King Nebs laid siege to the island city of 13
> years and finally struck a treaty because he was unable to conquer
> it. Failed prophecy. that's a fact.
>
> The bible contradicts itself. All one has to do is try to construct a
> timeline of the Resurrection morning accounts and figure out who first
> saw the risen Jesus.
>
> When confronted by these "facts," theists rationalize. they make up
> excuses why the bible didn't really fail. They have such a vested
> interest in believing the myths of the bible that they never stop to
> critically read and understand that it's not true.
>
> you strike me as one of those who will rationalize. That's why you
> see different "senses of truth."
>
> First, review the facts. Then try not to rationalize.
Is it a fact that all human beings are equal?
If so, in what sense, do you know?
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monkfish
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