On May 21, 8:27 pm, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> rogue wrote:
> > On May 21, 7:02 am, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> rogue wrote:
> >> > On May 20, 11:56 am, "Carl" <sai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >> In the following article, Dr. Francis Beckwith shows us the
Biblical
> >> >> doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
>
> >> >> PART I: THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY, GOD, AND THE DEITY OF THE
FATHER
>
> >> >> I. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity is part of every major
creed
> >> >> in the history of Christendom. It can be defined in the following
way:
> >> >> In the nature of the one God there are three centers of
consciousness,
> >> >> which we call persons, and these three are equal. Though the term
> >> >> "trinity" is not found in the Bible, the doctrine is nevertheless
> >> >> taught there. "Trinity" is merely the term employed by theologians
and
> >> >> church historians in order to describe the phenomena of God they
find
> >> >> in the Bible.
>
> >> >> The doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at in much the same way as
a
> >> >> scientific theory. A scientific theory, for the most part, is a
> >> >> reasoned explanation of observed (or unobserved, in some cases)
> >> >> phenomena in the natural world. Analogously, the doctrine of the
> >> >> Trinity is a reasoned explanation of what we observe to be the
> >> >> phenomena of God in the Bible. Church fathers, councils,
> >> >> denominations, etc. have been so overwhelmed with the evidence for
the
> >> >> trinity in the scripture that there has been a universal creedal
> >> >> acknowledgement in church history. The argument behind the
doctrine
> >> >> can be put this way:
>
> >> > JERRY
> >> > CHUCK! Hey, CHUCK! Pay attention to this, you may learn
something!
>
> >> >> Premise 1: The Bible teaches that there is only one God.
>
> >> >> Premise 2: The Bible teaches that there are three distinct
> >> >> personscalled God, known as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
>
> >> >> Conclusion: So, the three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
-
> >> >> are the one God.
>
> >> >> Let us take a look at how each premise is justified in the New
> >> >> Testament.
>
> >> > JERRY
> >> > See that? THAT is a proper syllogism at least in terms of
structure.
> >> > Now, it could be argued in terms of content whether or not premise
TWO
> >> > is correct ("Holy Spirit" for example could be a distinct
personality
> >> > or simply a quality of the one God or even the claim that the bible
> >> > teaches that there are three distinct persons called God, which is
> >> > open to debate and the way trinitarians choose to read into the
text).
>
> >> > Those debates on the quality of premise two would affect the
outcome
> >> > of the validity of the conclusion.
>
> >> > However, I hope you and Carl both note that nowhere does it say
that
> >> > one must believe in the Trinity to be saved, since there are no
verses
> >> > in the bible to sup****t that claim, as I've demonstrated to you
> >> > before. ;-)
>
> >> What do you have to believe in to be saved?
>
> > Good question! Why don't you tell me, Mr. Christian? ;-)
>
> You sound so knowledgeable of the Bible.
> What does it say you have to believe in to be saved?
>
> --
> monkfish
JERRY
I am knowledgeable on the bible, but I don't play games. I've told
you my position. Do you wish to test it?
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