rogue wrote:
> On May 17, 8:53 am, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> rogue wrote:
>> > On May 16, 6:25 pm, monkfish <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> rogue wrote:
>> >> > On May 15, 3:24 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:56:04 +0100, Therion Ware
>> >> >> <autodel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spake thusly:
>>
>> >> >> >On Thu, 15 May 2008 02:33:45 -0700 (PDT), rogue
>> >> >> ><rogue...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>On May 15, 1:24 pm, Therion Ware <autodel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:22:14 -0700 (PDT), rogue
>> >> >> >>> <rogue...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>> >On May 15, 9:57 am, "Carl" <sai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> Noted evangelist Billy Sunday preached this encouraging
and
>> >> >> >>> >> uplifting sermon on the second coming of Jesus Christ. A
>> >> >> >>> >> triumphant return that the Bible foretells will come in
the
>> >> >> >>> >> future at a time no one knows.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >JERRY
>> >> >> >>> >Actually, Carl, that's a claim made by Christians that you
>> >> >> >>> >can't
>> >> >> >>> >sup****t in the text. Jesus tells you a deadline by which he
>> >> >> >>> >will
>> >> >> >>> >return. You find it in Matthew chapter 24 after the
disciples
>> >> >> >>> >ask for the signs of the Second Coming.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples
>> >> >> >>> >came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these
>> >> >> >>> >things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of
>> >> >> >>> >the end of the world?
>>
>> >> >> >>> >Jesus gives them all kinds of signs to watch for and then
>> >> >> >>> >tells them this:
>>
>> >> >> >>> >24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not
pass,
>> >> >> >>> >till all these things be fulfilled.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >Jesus was clearly saying to his disciples: I'm coming back
>> >> >> >>> >while you
>> >> >> >>> >guys are still alive. Look for it and expect it.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >And then he didn't show. Given that he didn't show it's a
>> >> >> >>> >pretty safe bet that the story isn't true and that he's not
>> >> >> >>> >coming back.
>>
>> >> >> >>> Actually, I was discussing this with the wandering jew and
>> >> >> >>> Longinus over dinner last week....
>>
>> >> >> >>> That asise, I wonder if he'll make a substantive reply to
your
>> >> >> >>> question.
>>
>> >> >> >>JERRY
>> >> >> >>Not unless he can find a sermon someone else wrote that he can
>> >> >> >>copy and paste.
>>
>> >> >> >Indeed.
>>
>> >> >> He showed. Within the same generation.
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> > JERRY
>> >> > Fraid not, Dave. The question asked was when Jesus would return
and
>> >> > the end of the world.
>>
>> >> > Check it out. I'm just looked around and the world is still here.
>>
>> >> Do you think the world will end eventually?
>>
>> > JERRY
>> > Not biblically. In several billion years the earth may fall into the
>> > sun, or we may be hit by a passing comet or huge asteroid that
>> > destroys all life, but the events of the book of Revelation are just
>> > the rants of fevered theist minds, like the fevered theists that post
>> > in Usenet. I consider Revelation to be written by the same kind of
>> > cranks as Glenn, who posts his End Times nonsense all the time, or
>> > OBVES (who may also be Glenn but I've done no check of headers or
IPs)
>>
>> > But the verses tell us that the END was supposed to happen during the
>> > lifetimes of the disciples. It didn't happen, so the bible isn't
true.
>>
>> It's very strange for so many people to wanna know
>> whether something in the bible is true or not
>> when the book is mostly about how to live well.
>
> JERRY
> In a discussion newsgroup where the topic is Christians, Christianity
> or the bible, the discussion of the veracity of the bible is very much
> on topic and valid.
>>
>> Do you often try to falsify the recipes in a cookbook?
>
> JERRY
> Invalid metaphor. I'm not trying to falsify something. Perhaps a
> better metaphor would be disagreeing with people who say that the
> cookbook was written by Julia Child when the evidence inside the book
> indicates that they are old folk recipes handed down from families.
What if she is old enough to have written
the old folk recipes as well?
God is the ultimate point of reference.
God makes everything intelligible.
If you don't agree with me, kindly tell us
what is your ultimate point of reference.
--
monkfish
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