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Re: Did you "Choose to Believe," or "Choose not to believe"?

by Geode <leopoldo.perdomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM

On 13 mayo, 18:12, Therion Ware <autodel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> If you're an atheist, do you think you "chose" the become an atheist?
>
> If some stripe of Christian, or other kind of theist did you "choose"
> to believe in whatever form of Christianity/other you now espouse?
>
> Personally I don't think, at root, people "choose" their beliefs but
> rather our beliefs are are product of what we are and what we know.
>
> This is to say, for me at least, I could no more "choose" to believe
> in any form of Christianity, or any of the theist religions, than I
> could "choose" to believe that the sky is green and the grass is blue,
> or that 2 + 2 = 5.
>
> But what do you think?

what if believe is product of a taming?  Imagine that parents and
relatives, as well as acquaintances, are conspiring together to make a
child believe this or that.  This can be called a choose but a
domestication of the mind.

And what about atheists?  Well atheist are not necessarily tamed but
raised free of any artificial superstition.
You teach your child to stem off the arguments of any theists, in a
cased, or you teach him to hide and keep a low profile to save the
child any harassments.
Other atheists, most of them, are product of fanatical Christian
families that were playing rough on their kids to make them good
xians.  One day, this children explode and after reaching eighteen or
nineteen, they run away and desert their fanatical families.
In this late case there is not involved any choice, it is simple a
fleeing away the bastard parents.
leopoldo
 




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Did you "Choose to Believe," or "Choose not to believe"?
Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 18:12:36 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 17:26:15 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 18:30:26 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 20:29:08 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 18:08:53 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 22:42:12 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-13 17:21:56 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-14 11:47:24 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-14 09:31:49 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 12:40:44 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 10:30:55 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 19:01:44 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 11:37:54 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 12:19:32 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 20:17:11 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 14:13:15 
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Geode <leopoldo.perdom  2008-05-13 13:03:55 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 19:00:46 
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johac <jhachmann@[EMAI  2008-05-14 22:48:46 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-14 23:37:02 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-17 23:56:15 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 15:10:11 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-18 02:00:01 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 16:18:56 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:24:20 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-24 21:07:07 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-24 21:29:02 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-24 22:39:04 
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Christ's Love <christs  2008-05-25 02:51:08 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-25 09:06:44 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-25 12:09:30 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:26:39 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-26 19:23:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-26 04:38:07 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-26 11:06:52 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-26 11:09:09 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:27:38 
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John Baker <nunya@[EMA  2008-05-26 11:20:21 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-26 12:23:33 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:26:13 
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DanielSan <danielsan19  2008-05-26 13:27:55 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:23:20 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-26 17:07:06 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 19:56:14 
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hhyapster@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-26 21:54:40 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 19:30:13 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-27 18:09:54 
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