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Re: Did you "Choose to Believe," or "Choose not to believe"?

by magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arturo Magidin) May 13, 2008 at 06:44 PM

In article
<e8096835-0a5b-48d3-a6fe-0d848c6f861b@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 <cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

   [...]

>I don't think I was asking you to believe in god since there is not
>evidence that he doesn't exist.
>I was only asking how someone could 'believe' there is no god, when
>there is no evidence to sup****t that there is no god.

Isn't one of the attributes of "god" supposed to be omnipresence and
another detectability? If so, there is evidence there is no such
thing.

The absence of intervention also provides (weak) evidence in favor of
the proposition that no such thing exists, just as the lack of
blood-spatter evidence provides evidence that no murder was committed
in your house while you were out this morning.

>As logical as an athiest is in saying there is no proof of god, I
>would expect the same person to say there is no proof of the absence
>of god.

Depends entirely on what "god" is supposed to mean. While absence of
evidence is not dispositive evidence of absence, in many situations
the absence of evidence constitutes valid evidence in favor of
absence. 


-- 
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"It's not denial. I'm just very selective about
 what I accept as reality."
    --- Calvin ("Calvin and Hobbes" by Bill Watterson)
======================================================================

Arturo Magidin
magidin-at-member-ams-org
 




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Did you "Choose to Believe," or "Choose not to believe"?
Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 18:12:36 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 17:26:15 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 18:30:26 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 20:29:08 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 18:08:53 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-13 22:42:12 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-13 17:21:56 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-14 11:47:24 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-14 09:31:49 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-17 13:56:34 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 12:40:44 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 10:30:55 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 19:01:44 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 11:04:32 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 14:13:53 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 12:29:05 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 18:28:14 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 00:34:14 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 01:36:37 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 11:12:49 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 11:15:29 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 18:36:22 
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SkyEyes <skyeyes9@[EMA  2008-05-13 11:24:39 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 11:26:22 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 14:38:18 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 18:19:36 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 19:22:02 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 11:32:38 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 11:34:22 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 14:39:51 
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magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 18:44:14 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 20:14:42 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 11:35:23 
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asilentskeptic <asilen  2008-05-13 11:37:54 
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cazayoux@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-13 12:19:32 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 15:26:44 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 20:17:11 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 21:27:04 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 20:37:04 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 22:15:58 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 14:13:15 
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Geode <leopoldo.perdom  2008-05-13 13:03:55 
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SkyEyes <skyeyes9@[EMA  2008-05-13 13:07:56 
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Geode <leopoldo.perdom  2008-05-13 13:35:27 
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panamfloyd@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-13 10:37:48 
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chibiabos <chibiabos@[  2008-05-13 10:46:23 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-13 19:00:46 
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SkyEyes <skyeyes9@[EMA  2008-05-13 11:14:33 
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cobalt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-17 12:04:01 
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Lucifer <wyrdology@[EM  2008-05-13 12:05:10 
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"Michelle Malkin&quo  2008-05-13 15:11:59 
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"Rev. Karl E. Taylor  2008-05-13 12:08:11 
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Geode <leopoldo.perdom  2008-05-13 12:25:35 
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magidin@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 19:31:40 
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Leo Marx <LeoMarx@[EMA  2008-05-13 15:50:45 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-13 15:58:48 
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Leo Marx <LeoMarx@[EMA  2008-05-13 16:33:48 
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Kelsey Bjarnason <kbja  2008-05-13 20:08:02 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-05-13 15:10:52 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 20:13:20 
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captdan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 14:04:36 
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Satan <Satan@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-13 13:38:51 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-14 09:39:21 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-13 10:16:37 
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MarkA <toor@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-13 17:19:35 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 18:13:19 
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John Locke <johnlocke9  2008-05-13 15:15:03 
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"Thurisaz, Germanic   2008-05-14 00:15:47 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 17:37:04 
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beelzebub <yank_ees_su  2008-05-13 17:02:04 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-13 20:19:01 
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Free Lunch <lunch@[EMA  2008-05-13 19:26:37 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-05-13 20:45:18 
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EskWIRED@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-14 12:16:34 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-05-14 11:17:38 
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beelzebub <yank_ees_su  2008-05-13 18:22:16 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-14 23:31:03 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-14 23:35:35 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-15 02:40:15 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-15 00:14:53 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-15 00:19:13 
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beelzebub <yank_ees_su  2008-05-17 08:09:38 
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beelzebub <yank_ees_su  2008-05-17 08:23:30 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-17 21:10:05 
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"Smiler" <Sm  2008-05-14 05:10:04 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-13 21:19:38 
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johac <jhachmann@[EMAI  2008-05-13 22:50:29 
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DanielSan <danielsan19  2008-05-14 03:23:51 
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johac <jhachmann@[EMAI  2008-05-14 22:48:46 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-14 07:24:02 
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.K  2008-05-14 16:53:36 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-14 18:24:00 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 20:37:06 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-14 21:41:00 
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atheist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-14 22:00:32 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-14 23:55:37 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-14 23:38:01 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-14 23:37:02 
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.K  2008-05-16 21:08:02 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-17 00:17:48 
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.K  2008-05-19 00:41:17 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-19 21:30:03 
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Richo <m.richardson61@  2008-05-14 21:23:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-14 23:40:01 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-17 23:56:15 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 15:10:11 
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Fred Stone <fstone69@[  2008-05-18 02:00:01 
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"G-Ride" <gr  2008-05-17 16:18:56 
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James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2008-05-24 15:13:03 
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"Robibnikoff" &  2008-05-24 16:36:13 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:24:20 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-24 21:07:07 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-24 21:29:02 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-24 22:39:04 
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Christ's Love <christs  2008-05-25 02:51:08 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-25 09:06:44 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-25 12:09:30 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:26:39 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-05-26 19:23:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-26 04:38:07 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-26 11:06:52 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-26 11:09:09 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:27:38 
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John Baker <nunya@[EMA  2008-05-26 11:20:21 
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raven1 <quoththeraven@  2008-05-26 12:23:33 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:26:13 
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DanielSan <danielsan19  2008-05-26 13:27:55 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-05-26 13:23:20 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-05-26 17:07:06 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 19:56:14 
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hhyapster@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-26 21:54:40 
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stoney <stoney@[EMAIL   2008-06-01 19:30:13 
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Therion Ware <autodele  2008-05-27 18:09:54 
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