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Popular Excuses To Avoid Salvation

by "Carl" <saints@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 01:10 AM

Straw man. Fallacy of establi****ng a position, claiming it is the
opponent's 
position, and then attacking it, when it is not in fact the opponent's 
position at all. [Norman Geisler & Ronald Brooks: Come, Let Us Reason : An

Introduction to Logical Thinking. Grand Rapids, Mich. : Baker Book House, 
1990, S. 194]

Straw man. This is the fallacy of refuting a caricatured or extreme
version 
of somebody's argument, rather than the actual argument they've made.
Often 
this fallacy involves putting words into somebody's mouth by saying
they've 
made arguments they haven't actually made, in which case the straw man 
argument is a veiled version of argumentum ad logicam. [Glen Whitman, 
Associate Professor; California State University, Northridge]

Straw man. A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position in 
order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this 
misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real
position 
has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because the position that

has been claimed to be refuted is different to that which has actually
been 
refuted; the real target of the argument is untouched by it. [Tim Holt; 
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/]

Straw man. A Straw Man occurs when an opponent takes the original argument

of his/her adversary and then offers a close imitation, or straw man, 
version of the original argument; "knocks down" the straw man version of
the 
argument (because the straw man, as its name implies, is a much easier 
target to hit, undermine, etc.) -- and thereby gives the appearance of 
having successfully countered/overcome/answered the original argument.
[Dr. 
Charles Ess; A Database of Informal Fallacies; 1987]

Straw man. The author attacks an argument different from (and weaker than)

the opposition's best argument. [Stephen's Guide To Logical Fallacies; 
http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/welcome.htm]

Straw man. You commit the straw man fallacy whenever you attribute an
easily 
refuted position to your opponent, one that the opponent wouldn't endorse,

and then proceed to attack the easily refuted position believing you have 
undermined the opponent's actual position. If the misrepresentation is on 
purpose, then the straw man fallacy is caused by lying. [James Fieser,
Ph.D. 
& Bradley Dowden, Ph.D.; California State University, Sacramento]

Straw man. Directing the argument against a claim that nobody actually
holds 
or that everyone agrees is very weak. [Rise Axelrod & Charles Cooper; The 
Concise Guide to Writing; Bedford/St. Martin's, 2005]

Straw man. A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on 
misrepresentation of an opponent's position. [Madsen Pirie; How to Win
Every 
Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic; UK: Continuum International
Publi****ng 
Group, 2007]

Red herring (diverting the issue). Rather than proving the point, this 
fallacy simply evades the question by changing the subject, then
proceeding 
as if the point had been made. Often the other topic bears a superficial 
resemblance to the one being discussed. Don't let that fool you! If no
proof 
is given, there is no reason to accept the argument. [Norman Geisler & 
Ronald Brooks: Come, Let Us Reason : An Introduction to Logical Thinking. 
Grand Rapids, Mich. : Baker Book House, 1990]

Red herring. This means exactly what you think it means: introducing 
irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand. For 
example, "The opposition claims that welfare dependency leads to higher 
crime rates -- but how are poor people supposed to keep a roof over their 
heads without our help?" It is perfectly valid to ask this question as
part 
of the broader debate, but to pose it as a response to the argument about 
welfare leading to crime is fallacious. (There is also an element of ad 
misericordiam in this example.) [Glen Whitman, Associate Professor; 
California State University, Northridge]

Red herring. The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a logical

fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener 
attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another
topic. 
This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to 
observe. [Tim Holt; http://www.logicalfallacies.info/]

Red herring. A red herring is a deliberate attempt to change the subject
or 
divert the argument from the real question at issue to some side-point;
for 
instance, "Senator Jones should not be held accountable for cheating on
his 
income tax. After all, there are other senators who have done far worse 
things." [Dr. L. Kip Wheeler; Carson-Newman College]

Red herring. A "red herring" argument is one which distracts the audience 
from the issue in question through the introduction of some irrelevancy. 
This frequently occurs during debates when there is an at least implicit 
topic, yet it is easy to lose track of it. By extension, it applies to any

argument in which the premisses are logically irrelevant to the
conclusion. 
[http://www.fallacyfiles.org/]

Red herring. A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is 
presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic 
idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument
and 
to another topic. [Dr. Michael C. LaBossiere; Florida A&M University]

Red herring. A red herring is a smelly fish that would distract even a 
bloodhound. It is also a digression that leads the reasoner off the track
of 
considering only relevant information. Example: Will the new tax in Senate

Bill 47 unfairly hurt business? One of the provisions of the bill is that 
the tax is higher for large employers (fifty or more employees) as opposed

to small employers (six to forty-nine employees). To decide on the
fairness 
of the bill, we must first determine whether employees who work for large 
employers have better working conditions than employees who work for small

employers. Bringing up the issue of working conditions is the red herring.

[Bradley Dowden; California State University, Sacramento]

Red herring . Ignoring criticism of an argument by changing attention to 
another subject. Examples: "You believe in abortion, yet you don't believe

in the right-to-die-with-dignity bill before the legislature." [Dr. J. P. 
Craig; University Of Iowa]

1 Tim 6:20-21
Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely 
called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered 
from the faith.

2 Tim 2:16
Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more
and 
more ungodly.

Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their

ways are vile; there is no one who does good.

Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue...

Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is
a 
fool.

Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him 
yourself.
 




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Popular Excuses To Avoid Salvation
"Carl" <sain  2008-05-10 04:32:26 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-05-10 05:39:37 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 21:22:39 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-05-10 22:28:53 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-10 22:34:26 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-10 23:32:19 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-05-11 10:23:36 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-14 06:02:46 
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Bible Bob <biblebob@[  2008-05-14 09:48:08 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-11 03:27:15 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-11 10:42:48 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-11 03:29:52 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-11 10:35:10 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-11 20:31:41 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-11 21:52:18 
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Bible Bob <biblebob@[  2008-05-12 15:24:04 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-11 20:39:18 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 21:44:37 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-11 23:49:15 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-11 23:52:20 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-05-12 14:55:11 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-11 22:57:50 
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Bible Bob <biblebob@[  2008-05-14 09:47:27 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 09:49:12 
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"Ralph" <mmm  2008-05-13 17:10:02 
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Carl <saints@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-12 22:08:39 
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"Carl" <sain  2008-05-13 01:10:23 
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"Chuck Stamford"  2008-05-12 22:45:58 
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rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL  2008-05-13 04:10:19 
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"Carl" <sain  2008-05-13 01:51:14 

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