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Re: Does Allah Command Evil and Abomination or Doesn't He?

by Ramabriga <Ramabriga@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 10, 2008 at 09:55 AM

Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained 
moslems. wrote:
> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of ****skin moslems. 
> wrote:
>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, 
>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of ****skin 
>> moslems. wrote:
>>> I wipe my ASS on Mohammed's FACE! wrote:
>>>> Qur'an Contradiction
>>>>
>>>> Does Allah Command Evil and Abomination or Doesn't He?
>>>> The Quran says that Allah doesn't command indecency and abomination:
>>>>
>>>>   And whenever they commit an indecency they say, 'We found our
fathers
>>>> practising it, and God has commanded us to do it.' Say: 'God does not
>>>> command indecency; what, do you say concerning God such things as 
>>>> you know
>>>> not?' S. 7:28
>>>>
>>>>   Surely God bids to justice and good-doing and giving to kinsmen; 
>>>> and He
>>>> forbids indecency, dishonour, and insolence, admoni****ng you, so 
>>>> that haply
>>>> you will remember. S. 16:90
>>>>
>>>> In fact, the Quran says it is Satan who does:
>>>>
>>>>   O men, eat of what is in the earth lawful and good; and follow not 
>>>> the
>>>> steps of Satan; he is a manifest foe to you. He only commands you to 
>>>> evil
>>>> and indecency, and that you should speak against God such things as 
>>>> you know
>>>> not. S. 2:168-169
>>>>
>>>> The Quran further says that Allah does not destroy any city unjustly:
>>>>
>>>>   That is because thy Lord would never destroy the cities unjustly, 
>>>> while
>>>> their inhabitants were heedless. S. 6:131
>>>>
>>>> Yet we are told elsewhere that Allah does indeed command wickedness
and
>>>> indecency:
>>>>
>>>>   And when We desire to destroy a city, WE COMMAND its men who live 
>>>> at ease,
>>>> AND THEY COMMIT UNGODLINESS therein, then the Word is realized 
>>>> against it,
>>>> and We destroy it utterly. S. 17:16
>>>>
>>>> Carefully notice the wording of the text; Allah commands and the
people
>>>> commit ungodliness. In other words, it is Allah's command that leads 
>>>> the
>>>> people to commit indecency which then results in their destruction!
>>>>
>>>> Egyptian Christian writer and scholar, Dr. Labib Mikhail, commented 
>>>> on the
>>>> theological ramifications of the above text and shows how the literal
>>>> meaning is that Allah is commanding the people to commit evil in 
>>>> order to
>>>> destroy them:
>>>>
>>>>   I have to mention, as one who mastered the Arabic as my first 
>>>> language and
>>>> who has read the different versions of the Koran, that some of who
>>>> translated the Koran into English were not honest; they tried to 
>>>> deceive the
>>>> English speaking reader. Here are a few examples of their deception.
>>>>
>>>>   (4) In Surat Al-Isra we read this Arabic verse in the Koran, where 
>>>> Allah
>>>> is saying:
>>>>
>>>>   Wa eza aradna an nohlika kariatan amarna motrifiha fafasako feha 
>>>> fahaqa
>>>> Alliah alkowl fadamarnaha (Surat Al-Isra 17:16)
>>>>
>>>>   The correct translation of this verse should be:
>>>>
>>>>   And when we (Allah) decide to destroy a village, we send a definite
>>>> command to those who lead a life of luxury in it to commit lewdness, 
>>>> and
>>>> thus the word of torment is justified against them. Then we destroy 
>>>> it with
>>>> complete destruction.
>>>>
>>>>   This means that when Allah wants to destroy a village that he will 
>>>> command
>>>> the elite of that town to commit gross sins. Then after that he will 
>>>> punish
>>>> them because they obeyed his commands. (Mikhail, Islam, Muhammad and 
>>>> the
>>>> Koran: A Do***ented Analysis [Blessed Hope Ministry, Springfield VA; 
>>>> Second
>>>> edition, Revised and Expanded 2002], pp. 111, 112-113; online
edition)
>>>>
>>>> Another Christian writer, the late 'Abdallah Abd al-'Fadi, said in 
>>>> reference
>>>> to these passages:
>>>>
>>>>   Does God desire to destroy the people he created? Would He really 
>>>> command
>>>> people who live at ease in a certain place to commit ungodliness, so 
>>>> that
>>>> they would be worthy of punishment, together with the poor who live 
>>>> among
>>>> them? Is this compatible with God's justice, holiness and 
>>>> faithfulness? How
>>>> could anyone ascribe to God such infamy, injustice and ungodliness?
>>>>
>>>>   Besides, the Qur'an contradicts this statement in many other 
>>>> places. (Al-'Fadi,
>>>> Is the Qur'an Infallible? [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503
Villach,
>>>> Austria], p. 131)
>>>>
>>>> Al-'Fadi proceeded to quote the very same texts cited above. Since
both
>>>> these gentlemen are/were Arab Christians and know/knew Arabic, one 
>>>> cannot
>>>> accuse them of failing to understand or properly exegeting the 
>>>> Arabic text
>>>> of the Quran.
>>>>
>>>> The Quran does not provide specific examples of the particular sins
or
>>>> ungodliness that Allah would command people to perform if he wants to
>>>> destroy a city. Nevertheless, the above is a clear contradiction on
an
>>>> abstract level. Does God command indecency or does he not? The Quran 
>>>> makes
>>>> both statements.
>>>>
>>>> Two further observations:
>>>>
>>>> First, one perverse consequence of S. 17:16 is that the people in 
>>>> that city
>>>> are ultimately punished and destroyed for obeying Allah's commands 
>>>> given to
>>>> them, not for disobedience to the commands that they had received.
>>>>
>>>> Second, looking at the Torah in comparison to the Quran, there is at 
>>>> least
>>>> one behavior that the Holy God of the Bible has forbidden 
>>>> explicitly, which
>>>> he even called detestable, but which Allah has made an explicit 
>>>> command for
>>>> the Muslims. This is what the Bible says:
>>>>
>>>>   "If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because 
>>>> he finds
>>>> something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of 
>>>> divorce,
>>>> gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she 
>>>> leaves his
>>>> house she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband 
>>>> dislikes
>>>> her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and 
>>>> sends her
>>>> from his house, or if he dies, then her first husband, who divorced 
>>>> her, is
>>>> not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That 
>>>> would be
>>>> detestable in the eyes of the LORD. Do not bring sin upon the land 
>>>> the LORD
>>>> your God is giving you as an inheritance." Deuteronomy 24:1-4
>>>>
>>>>   "God says, 'If a husband divorces his wife and she goes from him
and
>>>> belongs to another man, will he still return to her? Will not that 
>>>> land be
>>>> completely polluted? But you are a harlot with many lovers; Yet you 
>>>> turn to
>>>> Me,' declares the LORD. Lift up your eyes to the bare heights and 
>>>> see; Where
>>>> have you not been violated? By the roads you have sat for them Like 
>>>> an Arab
>>>> in the desert, And you have polluted a land with your harlotry and 
>>>> with your
>>>> wickedness." Jeremiah 3:1-2
>>>>
>>>> Here, the God of the Holy Bible prohibits a man from remarrying a 
>>>> divorcee
>>>> who has remarried and either been divorced again or widowed. 
>>>> Contrast this
>>>> to the following Quranic command:
>>>>
>>>>   Divorce is twice; then honourable retention or setting free 
>>>> kindly. It is
>>>> not lawful for you to take of what you have given them unless the 
>>>> couple
>>>> fear they may not maintain God's bounds; if you fear they may not 
>>>> maintain
>>>> God's bounds, it is no fault in them for her to redeem herself. 
>>>> Those are
>>>> God's bounds; do not transgress them. Whosoever transgresses the 
>>>> bounds of
>>>> God -- those are the evildoers. If he divorces her finally, she 
>>>> shall not be
>>>> lawful to him after that, until she marries another husband. If he 
>>>> divorces
>>>> her, then it is no fault in them to return to each other, if they 
>>>> suppose
>>>> that they will maintain God's bounds. Those are God's bounds; He 
>>>> makes them
>>>> clear unto a people that have knowledge. S. 2:229-230
>>>>
>>>> Muslim tradition even goes so far as to say that the woman must 
>>>> engage in
>>>> ***ual intercourse with the man before she can return to her former 
>>>> husband:
>>>>
>>>>   Narrated 'Aisha:
>>>>   Rifa'a Al-Qurazi divorced his wife irrevocably (i.e. that divorce 
>>>> was the
>>>> final). Later on 'Abdur-Rahman bin Az-Zubair married her after him. 
>>>> She came
>>>> to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! I was Rifa'a's wife and
he
>>>> divorced me thrice, and then I was married to 'Abdur-Rahman bin 
>>>> AzZubair,
>>>> who, by Allah has nothing with him except something like this fringe,
O
>>>> Allah's Apostle," showing a fringe she had taken from her covering 
>>>> sheet.
>>>> Abu Bakr was sitting with the Prophet while Khalid Ibn Said bin 
>>>> Al-As was
>>>> sitting at the gate of the room waiting for admission. Khalid started
>>>> calling Abu Bakr, "O Abu Bakr! Why don't you reprove this lady from 
>>>> what she
>>>> is openly saying before Allah's Apostle?" Allah's Apostle did 
>>>> nothing except
>>>> smiling, and then said (to the lady), "Perhaps you want to go back to
>>>> Rifa'a? No, (it is not possible), unless and until you enjoy the
***ual
>>>> relation with him ('Abdur Rahman), and he enjoys the ***ual relation 
>>>> with
>>>> you." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 107)
>>>>
>>>>   Yahya related to me from Malik from al-Miswar ibn Rifaa al-Quradhi 
>>>> from
>>>> az-Zubayr ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn az-Zubayr that Rifaa ibn Simwal 
>>>> divorced his
>>>> wife, Tamima bint Wahb, in the time of the Messenger of Allah, may 
>>>> Allah
>>>> bless him and grant him peace, three times. Then she married Abd 
>>>> ar-Rahman
>>>> ibn az-Zubayr and he turned from her and could not consummate the 
>>>> marriage
>>>> and so he parted from her. Rifaa wanted to marry her again and it was
>>>> mentioned to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant
him
>>>> peace, and he forbade him to marry her. He said, "She is not halal 
>>>> for you
>>>> until she has tasted the sweetness of intercourse." (Malik's 
>>>> Muwatta, Book
>>>> 28, Number 28.7.17)
>>>>
>>>>   Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from al-Qasim
ibn
>>>> Muhammad that A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him 
>>>> and grant
>>>> him peace, said when asked whether it was permissible for a man to 
>>>> marry
>>>> again a wife he had divorced irrevocably if she had married another 
>>>> man who
>>>> divorced her before consummating the marriage, "Not until she has 
>>>> tasted the
>>>> sweetness of intercourse." (Malik's Muwatta, Book 28, Number 28.7.18)
>>>>
>>>> The man who makes the woman lawful for her former husband is called
>>>> Muhallil:
>>>>
>>>>   Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that when asked 
>>>> whether
>>>> it was permissible for a man to return to his wife if he had 
>>>> divorced her
>>>> irrevocably and then another man had married her after him and died 
>>>> before
>>>> consummating the marriage, al-Qasim ibn Muhammad said, "It is not 
>>>> halal for
>>>> the first husband to return to her."
>>>>
>>>>   Malik said, about the muhallil, that he could not remain in the 
>>>> marriage
>>>> until he undertook a new marriage. If he had intercourse with her in 
>>>> that
>>>> marriage, she had her dowry.
>>>>
>>>>   (Malik's Muwatta, Book 28, Number 28.7.19)
>>>>
>>>> Allah calls permissible what Yahweh calls shameful and abominable.
>>>>
>>>> Here is another instance of Allah permitting indecency, lewdness:
>>>>
>>>>   Permitted to you, upon the night of the Fast, is to go in to 
>>>> (alrrafathu)
>>>> your wives; -- they are a vestment for you, and you are a vestment 
>>>> for them.
>>>> God knows that you have been betraying yourselves, and has turned to 
>>>> you and
>>>> pardoned you. So now lie with them, and seek what God has prescribed 
>>>> for
>>>> you. And eat and drink, until the white thread shows clearly to you 
>>>> from the
>>>> black thread at the dawn; then complete the Fast unto the night, and 
>>>> do not
>>>> lie with them while you cleave to the mosques. Those are God's 
>>>> bounds; keep
>>>> well within them. So God makes clear His signs to men; haply they 
>>>> will be
>>>> godfearing. S. 2:187
>>>>
>>>> The word alrrafathu, which comes from rafath, refers to obscene, 
>>>> immoral
>>>> behaviour and conduct. The word is used in this manner in the
following
>>>> citation:
>>>>
>>>>   The pilgrimage is (in) the well-known months, and whoever is 
>>>> minded to
>>>> perform the pilgrimage therein (let him remember that) there is (to 
>>>> be) no
>>>> lewdness (rafatha) nor abuse nor angry conversation on the 
>>>> pilgrimage. And
>>>> whatsoever good ye do Allah knoweth it. So make provision for 
>>>> yourselves
>>>> (Hereafter); for the best provision is to ward off evil. Therefore 
>>>> keep your
>>>> duty unto Me, O men of understanding. S. 2:197 Pickthall
>>>>
>>>>   ... Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in 
>>>> the Hajj
>>>> ... Y. Ali
>>>>
>>>>   ... abstain from lewd speech, from all wicked conduct, and from
>>>> quarrelling ... Asad
>>>>
>>>> Renowned Sunni expositor Ibn Kathir commented on the meaning of 
>>>> Rafath in
>>>> Sura 2:197:
>>>>
>>>>   Prohibition of Rafath (***ual Intercourse) during Hajj
>>>>
>>>>   Allah said: ...
>>>>
>>>>   <He should not have Rafath>
>>>>
>>>>   This Ayah means that those who assume the Ihram for Hajj or `Umrah 
>>>> are
>>>> required to avoid the Rafath, meaning, ***ual intercourse. Allah's 
>>>> statement
>>>> here is similar to His statement:
>>>>
>>>>   <It is made lawful for you to have Rafath (***ual relations) with 
>>>> your
>>>> wives on the night of the fast.> (2:187)
>>>>
>>>>   Whatever might lead to ***ual intercourse, such as embracing, 
>>>> kissing and
>>>> talking to women about similar subjects, is not allowed. Ibn Jarir 
>>>> re****ted
>>>> that Nafi` narrated that `Abdullah bin `Umar said, "Rafath means
***ual
>>>> intercourse or mentioning this subject with the tongue, by either 
>>>> men or
>>>> women." `Ata' bin Abu Rabah said that Rafath means ***ual 
>>>> intercourse and
>>>> foul speech. This is also the opinion of `Amr bin Dinar. `Ata' also 
>>>> said
>>>> that they used to even prevent talking (or hinting) about this
subject.
>>>> Tawus said that Rafath includes one's saying, "When I end the Ihram 
>>>> I will
>>>> have *** with you." This is also the same explanation offered by Abu
>>>> Al-`Aliyah regarding Rafath. `Ali bin Abu Talhah said that Ibn 
>>>> `Abbas said,
>>>> "Rafath means having *** with the wife, kissing, fondling and saying 
>>>> foul
>>>> words to her, and similar acts." Ibn `Abbas and Ibn `Umar said that 
>>>> Rafath
>>>> means to have *** with women. This is also the opinion of Sa`id bin 
>>>> Jubayr,
>>>> `Ikrimah, Mujahid, Ibrahim An-****ha`i, Abu Al-`Aliyah who narrated 
>>>> it from
>>>> `Ata' and Makhul, `Ata Al-Khurasani, `Ata' bin Yasar, `Atiyah,
Ibrahim,
>>>> Ar-Rabi`, Az-Zuhri, As-Suddi, Malik bin Anas, Muqatil bin Hayyan,
>>>> `Abdul-Karim bin Malik, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak, and others.
>>>> (Source; italic and underline emphasis ours)
>>>>
>>>> The late Maulana Muhammad Ali wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   197b. Three things are prohibited in pilgrimage, rafath, fusuq and 
>>>> jidal.
>>>> Rafath means foul, unseemly, immodest or obscene speech (LL). Fusuq,
>>>> according to a saying of the Prophet, signifies abusing (Rz). Jidal
>>>> signifies contending in an altercation or disputing or litigating 
>>>> (LL). The
>>>> pilgrimage represents the final stage of spiritual progress, and 
>>>> hence the
>>>> pilgrim is enjoined not to speak words which should be a source of 
>>>> annoyance
>>>> to anybody. Perfect love of God requires perfect peace with man; 
>>>> hence no
>>>> offence should be caused to any man. The doing of good to others is
>>>> recommended instead in the words whatever good you do, Allah knows
it.
>>>> (Source: *, *)
>>>>
>>>> Now intercourse itself is obviously not obscene or lewd when done 
>>>> within the
>>>> confines of marriage between a husband and wife. God is the one who 
>>>> created
>>>> us as ***ual beings and sanctioned ***ual intimacy in the first 
>>>> place. It is
>>>> therefore obvious that the Quran is referring to and sanctioning 
>>>> obscene
>>>> ***ual acts, lewd ***ual behavior, acts that are unnatural and 
>>>> abnormal. In
>>>> this verse, the Quran does not use the common word for intercourse, 
>>>> nikkah
>>>> (e.g. S. 2:230, 4:22, 33:53; cf. this article), but rafath. In other 
>>>> words,
>>>> Allah is explicitly permitting Muslim men to commit obscene, lewd 
>>>> conduct
>>>> with their wives!
>>>>
>>>> As the following source says:
>>>>
>>>>   The Arabic word rafath is defined by Abu Ubaida and other reliable 
>>>> Arabic
>>>> commentaries as "behaving in an obscene manner". But translators of
the
>>>> Quran into English have been biased. The original Arabic verse does 
>>>> not just
>>>> use the expression, "go unto your wives," but succinctly and
explicitly
>>>> states: "go and behave in an obscene manner with your wives." (The
True
>>>> Guidance: Commentary on Quranic Verses [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, 
>>>> A-9503
>>>> Villach, Austria], part 5, pp. 40-41)
>>>>
>>>> [All Quranic quotations are taken from A.J. Arberry's translation 
>>>> unless
>>>> noted otherwise.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> HOW TO BECOME A ****SKIN MOSLEM - this is how: **** goats, molest 
>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or 
>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa, 
>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you ****ed to a nearby 
>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, 
>>> ............  Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
> 
> 
HOW TO BECOME A ****SKIN  MOSLEM - this is how: **** goats, **** your 
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the 
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities 
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you ****ed to 
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an 
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............ 
Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!


Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!

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moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child 
molesting goat ****ers and nikomaks


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Up your ass mohammad  - Elif air ab tizak!!!

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Re: Does Allah Command Evil and Abomination or Doesn't He?
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