On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:08:24 +1000, **Rowland Croucher**
<rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> spake thusly:
> Chuck Stamford wrote:
>
>> That's not the case with our little
>> "rainbow" Christian, Chris. She's
>> only happy when she's sinning.
>
>Utterly wrong, and vilificatory: spoken like
>a true Pharisee.
Spoken like someone who values God's word
over Ninure's and your opinions.
But you sound like someone who is trying to
divert attention away from the issue at hand!
>Ninure has chosen to be celibate.
Irrelevant. She not only says she is a lesbian,
but promotes homo***ual *** acts as being
approved of by God, even as far as advertising
it in her signatures, through her web site and
in other forms as well, such as her coming
right out and saying it in many messages!
Now if she said that she is a homo***ual, but also
agreed that homo***ual acts are an abomination
to God and said that she chose to be celibate to
avoid this sin, THEN AND ONLY THEN, would she
be free of sinning and would be accepted here.
I mean, why do you think that she calls herself a
"RAINBOW Christian", which is an oxymoron anyway?
The word "rainbow" means that she is a homo***ual
and that she's advertising it! Hello?!? One does not
advertise that they are something, unless they are
proud of being that something! They do not advertise
it, because they are ashamed of it Rowland! And
therefore, she is indeed not only saying that she is
a lesbian, but that she is proud of it!
So she can make all of the "celibate" claims
she wants to, but her heart is still very dark!
And no, talking nicely to people does not mean
she is a good person! Many serial killers were
very nice neighbors! So using your judgment
scale, they're not sinners either!
Here is a typical Ninure Saunders signature...
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Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734
Universal Fellow****p of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.ufmcc.com
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Both of the above are links to homo***ual promoting
web sites and the first one is Ninure's web site.
And she admits on her web site that she created it
for the sole purpose of saying that "God does not
hate gays". So contrary to any claim she makes
that her web site is there to promote the Lord,
it is a lie!
And speaking of homo***uals that "get together",
she has this to say about them...
"God does not just 'tolerate' us. God does not
expect us or even want us to live in fear of
expressing our love."
She claims that God wants homo***uals to have ***!
Furthermore, she tries to falsely label anyone who
disagrees with her as a "basher", "hater", "homophobe"!
She's doing the same thing you tried to do further down!
To try to falsely label a person or situation, to turn the
focus to whomever might actually dare to call her sin
what it is! Sin!
And tell us Rowland... You talk about how people
attack her. How about how she attacks everyone
else who doesn't agree with her? Or is that okay
with you, because you want to feel sorry for her?!
The second link above, is the church she is a member of.
Why does one join a homo***ual church that promotes
the idea of homo***ual *** being approved of by God,
if they believe that homo***ual *** is a sin?! Hello?!?
They don't! So yes, she is saying that homo***ual
*** is okay with God!
So please, do not bother coming in here, trying to
defend her as if she's innocent just because you
say so! Her supposed celibacy means nothing
when discussing her sin, which is great!
And also don't bother trying to fall back to the position
that "we all have sin", just to try to change the subject,
because you know you cannot successfully argue that
she isn't sinning in this! Of course we all have sin!
That does not make her sin okay and it is her denial
of it and your denial of her sin, that is the issue here!
>> How do you know that? Can you see
>> inside her mind?
>
>She has spent hours taking me on a journey
>inside her mind. We are in communication
>most weeks.
Irrelevant! I am in regular communication
with a guy who runs a **** site. According
to your illogic, as long as he only has ***
with his wife, he's not sinning!
And hey, Rowland! Guess what I told him
his actions are, even though he's faithful
to his wife?! That's right! You guessed it!
S-I-N !!! Even if he himself doesn't do it,
he promotes fornication and that is sin too!
>I can affirm that she is a woman of integrity,
You cannot affirm that a woman who promotes
the sin of homo***ual *** as being approved of
by God, is a woman of integrity, because she's
celibate!
1) She has no integrity in this!
2) The affirmation by someone who defends
a woman who promotes homo***ual
fornication, has no value!
And in fact, what she's doing is the exact opposite
of integrity right now! She tries to claim that even
though she promote homo***ual ***, that she's
sin free, because she doesn't have homo***ual ***!
Furthermore Rowland, if she knew that what she
is doing was not sin, then she would not have
tried to use that argument in the first place!
The truth is, it is as good as an admission on
her part!
>who has suffered much
So what?! That's what it always boils down to for
you promoters of Ninure's sin as righteousness!
No one is saying that they want her to physically
suffer, but what the Hell does that have to do with
the subject at hand?! This is nothing but a red herring!
And it's also a straw man!
You whine that she has suffered and you don't do it
because it has anything to do with the subject here,
but rather, you do it to play the pity card and make
it look like people are picking on the poor suffering
homo***ual and so, they're evil! That is a load of
crap and you know it, Rowland! And yet, in every
damn message where people like you try to
defend her, her "suffering" ALWAYS gets brought up
by the one trying to defend her! And you know as
well as I do that you're just trying to make the other
person look evil by default, so that no matter what
they say, people will focus on your claim that they're
picking on the "poor, suffering woman" and that sir,
is YOUR evil!
The truth is, if Ninure was not doing anything wrong,
then people like you would not try to play the pity card,
to get them to shut up because they don't want to
look like they're picking on a suffering person!
It's the game you play and you know it!
But you know what Rowland? I don't care what
you try to claim! You see, I'm not stupid and so,
I won't fall for your ridiculous little game! Unlike
you, I'm going to speak the truth about this matter!
>- the vast majority of her suffering was inflicted
>by others, including modern Pharisees...
Oh, boo hoo hoo! Poor Ninure! Everybody's just
so evil for saying anything to Ninure that doesn't
praise her!
Did you really think we were going to fall for this crap?!
It is nothing more than a straw man and a red herring
in one shot!
Ninure does not see homo***ual *** as sin and it is!
If Ninure was in here saying that it is and not trying
to promote it, then no one would be bothering her
over this and you know it! So her "suffering at the
hands of others" IS HER OWN DOING!!!
So no, I do not feel sorry for her, any more than
Jesus did, when He said to certain people...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts
of your father you will do!" - John 8:44a
We are to call sin just that. Sin. That is what
I call my sin, when I sin. What do you call yours?
Bob? Joe? :) Or do you call it righteousness?
We know for a fact that Ninure does! But God
has something to say about that! ...
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
- Isaiah 5:20
Ninure's "suffering" comes from her own evil
and calling her sin what it is and not accepting
her as a true Christian, is not attacking her!
It is speaking the truth that she needs to hear,
which is what we are told to do!
And yes, we are to judge people like that!
Paul wrote to toss one guy out of the church,
if he would not repent of his fornication.
Guess what? Promoting fornication is sin!
One does not have to actually do it!
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on
a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery
with her already in his heart." - Matthew 5:28
The lesson from this passage is that it is a matter
of the heart and since she promotes homo***ual
*** as being approved of by God and is a member
of a church that does the same thing, her celibacy
is irrelevant and her heart is dark in this matter,
period, end of story and no "journey through
her mind" is going to change that Rowland!
When a person promotes homo***ual *** as
being approved of by God and their mission is,
according to their own web site, to promote the
idea that being homo***ual is "a deliberate and
creative reflection of God".
Really?! Is that why God made man in His image
and then made woman for man? Because His
image is actually homo***ual? And how does this
homo***ual couple thing wash with what the Bible
says about the church, that marriage is actually
a shadow of union of Christ, the brideGROOM,
to the church, which is called the BRIDE? Where
does the Bible ever compare this to a homo***ual
union?! Or is God a hermaphrodite and can go
either way with it?!
People simply do not follow the picture that homos
draw all the way through! And when you do, you
see that it ends up perverting the very symbolic
image of Christ and His church and there is no way
around that, period Rowland!
And can anyone show me EVEN ONE example
of God approving of a homo***ual relation****p?
And no, I don't mean people pointing to what
they claim were homo***ual relation****ps in
the Bible, like David and Jonathan for example,
which they are wrong about, but even if they
were right, does not fulfill the request.
The request is one example of GOD HIMSELF
putting His stamp of approval on it and saying
that it is Godly and telling people to do it,
like He did with hetero***ual marriage.
You see, the homos and the homo sup****ters
love to play the "single word argument" game,
which is easily defeated, but I don't bother
letting them go there. The fact is, that God
created marriage between a man and a woman
and created them as man and woman and
definitely approved of marriage itself!
So now, where is EVEN ONE example of God
Himself creating homo***ual marriage and
approving of it, just as He did with hetero***ual
marriage? After all, this is WAY too big of an
item for Him to just forget to tell us about!
And here's one more question...
Why is it that homos will call adultery just that
and also label it the sin of fornication and will
also call two unmarried hetero***ual people
who have *** fornicators, but when it comes
to two homo***uals having ***, then, all of
the sudden, they refuse to call it fornication?
Why is that, Rowland???
And why is it that when it comes to hetero***uals
who are living together in a monogamous relation****p,
that's sin and we don't see the homos out there going
to bat for them, because it's fornication, but when it
comes to two homo***uals living together in a
monogamous relation****p, or even if they're not
living together, then, all of the sudden, it's not
fornication and they don't need to be married
and God's okay with it??? Why is that, Rowland???
But hey, no hypocrisy there, right Rowland?!
And don't worry! Hypocrisy is not a sin when you're
a homo***ual and surely Rowland will defend you!
And why do homo***uals who claim to be Christian,
have absolutely nothing to say about the "Gay Pride
Parades" down Main St, even though there are
homos out there, half dressed (sometimes not dressed)
and kissing and fondling each other (and yes, that
does happen at these events)?! Nope! Silence!
Instead Rowland, THEY ATTEND THEM AND CHEER
THEM ON!!!
Do you know why we don't have a, "Hetero***ual
Fornicators' Pride Parade", nor an "Adulterers Pride
Parade", Rowland? Do you???
It's because both groups wouldn't dare have one,
because they know damn well that for God to
approve, they have to BE M-A-R-R-I-E-D !!!
But not if you're a homo***ual, right Rowland?!?
You see, they don't want "equal rights"! That's a load
of crap! They want "special rights" that only benefit
them and are better than the rights that hetero***uals
have, period and that benefit them because of their
*** LIFE!
God set up marriage between a man and a woman.
God approves of a man and a woman being married.
This is not rocket science, folks! He's an outtie,
she's an innie! But listening to the homo***uals,
one gets the impression that it goes something
like this...
"Duuuhhhh! Men folk are outties and women folk
are innies. Hmmmm... Duuuhhh! I wonder how
'dis is supposed ta work??? Duuuhhh!"
Please! <chuckle>
The ONLY mention of homo***ual acts in the Bible,
are always stated in a NEGATIVE light. Now did you
ever wonder why that is?! Hello?!? Earth to homos?!?
Earth to Rowland?!?
And don't bother trying to come down on me
because I say "homos". They call us "Heteros".
But of course, a number of homos have their
double standard and will make a fuss about it.
And no, I don't use the word "gay". I don't
allow them to hijack it! Gay means "happy"
and to call them "gay" would imply that in
order to be happy, one must be gay! I only
say that word when quoting them.
And if the homo***uals are "no different than
anyone else", then why all the legal crapola?!
The truth is, they contradictorily do claim to have
a "lifestyle". The "gay lifestyle", yet if you say
that they don't live the same way hetero***uals
do, then they get upset and demand that we
believe that they're no different than us!
Yea, right!!! Bawahahaha!!!
The reality is, the difference is who they sleep with
and I'm sorry, but I'm never going to approve of
special legal status for homo***ual ***!
Anyway, back to Ninure...
The truth is, that no matter what you try to claim,
Ninure is just as bad as if she did have ***!
There will be no difference to God at her judgment,
whether she had ***, or just promoted others
doing it, which she does so, since she promotes
homo***ual people getting together as something
that God approves of, period, end of story!
So do us all a favor and take your straw men
and your red herrings and go play your games
with someone else, who might fall for them!
--
The Last Days were in the first century:
James 5:8-9
8) Be YE also patient; establish YOUR hearts:
for the coming of the Lord DRAWETH NIGH.
9) Grudge not one against another, brethren,
lest YE be condemned: behold, the judge
STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR.
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