Re: I don't laugh at atheists. They have accepted indoctrinations.

On May 17, 9:22=A0am, Chris Bell  wrote:
> s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 16, 4:16 pm, Chris Bell =A0wrote:
> >>s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> What has the capacity to reproduce? Is it the individual, family, the
> species, or what?
>
The individual of each species has the capacity to reproduce according
to the genetic information that is within the individual and which
has
*** some*** commonality with the whole species.

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> > The definition is a generalisation.
> > In respect of reproduction;
> > living organisms have a reproductivve capacity
> > even if some can't use it or some choose not to use it
> > and some are wrongly required not to use it due to religious vows
> > that
> > should not have been imposed on anyone..
>
> Generalisations are very dangerous things. I should know because I am
> forever being accused of them! This is particularly true in any
> discussion of science. You must always test them by referring back to
> specifics.
>
> >>>'Evolving' =A0that is =A0micro-change which is happening all the
time.
> >>>Unless macro-change can be demonstrated with it happening without
> >>>human intervention as God created originally and as humans were not
> >>>around to assist the change in the early milleniums deemed necessary
> >>>for such change the modern day proof must also be without human
> >>>intervention.
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> >>I do not understand the difference. In physics, the difference between
> >>micro and macro is basically whether you can understand the dynamics
by
> >>Newtonian mechanics or quantum mechanics.
>
> > I have not read into Newtonian mechanics or quantum mechanics.
> > But I can't see how they can be used to determine what happened in the
> > beginning of life on this planet, earth, and for any scientist to say
> > that on his/her authority that is how it happened - evidently as a
> > means of eliminating God Almighty from that process of creation - is
> > not possible because of the lack of scientific (repeatable, testable)
> > proof.
>
> Gladys, you are being told repeatedly that creation and evolution are
> two completely distinct processes, with no connection between them. Why
> do you keep confusing them?
>
They are not confused in my thinking, but I seem to have given you the
impression that they are.

> > The difference between 'micro' and 'macro' change is that former is
> > happening all the time in every procreation within a species and
> > through the lifetime of that organism. Macro-change is the change from
> > one species (kind) to another species (kind), but I cannot see that
> > that happened because of the addition of genetic information from the
> > unicellular to the multicellular.
> > That seems to me to be just a so-so story.
>
> But evolution requires more than microchanges, which are as you say
> ubiquitous.

Ubiquitous =3D  always present

 There must also be separation, either geographically or
> through habitat change (eg climate change or catastrophic change by
> fire, flood, meteorite impact etc.). All this is well understood and
> taught, even in school.
>
If one group of humans could be separated from all others in todays
world for say the next ****  (time period required) what would be
expected***? -

1. another type of organism  that had evolved and could not reproduce
with the descendents of other humans, and were physiologically
different to other humans ie a new species
OR
2. a similar type of organism but certain changes brought about by
environmental factors - food, physical activities,  speech, social
organisation, but able to reproduce with others of the same species as
can happen between all humans in the world today, as people choose. .
???
If the first option from whence would come the genetic information to
bring
about the changes that would be akin to monkeys becoming men

But also how did non-living become living in the first place?

It is a fact that within recorded history humans have always been
humans;
but  evolutionists would say that is not enough time for evolution -
change from one species to another species to happen.

But basically it is not so much a matter of time, but a matter of
genetic information which prevents one type of organism changing into
another type of organism.

Gladys Swager