Re: Hell II (Was: Rational thought etc.)

On Mon, 12 May 2008 01:26:28 -0700 (PDT), "swa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<swager@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On May 12, 2:19 pm, Barry OGrady  wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 "Andrew Lamb" wrote:
>
>> >> [snip]
>>
>> >A life without any reference to gods? The world already has that, in
North
>> >Korea, where the even word "god" was banned decades ago - see
>> >http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5393#saltmines
>> >I encourage you to
>> >emigrate to there Curmudgeon, then you would really get a taste of
hell,
>> >oops, 'heaven' on earth.
>>
>> >In fact atheist regimes have a consistent record of producing hell on
earth -
>> >Stalin in the USSR and Mao in China, who murdered citizens by the tens
of
>> >millions. Pol Pot in Cambodia, and Robespierre in France, wannabees
who tried
>> >hard but just had far fewer citizens available to kill. See the
two-minute
>> >FoolsHeart cliphttp://www.foolsheart.comfor
a brief overview of the
>> >hell-on-earth produced by atheists when they get into power.
>>
>> >Ever since the Fall sinful people have wanted to exclude God from
>> > mankind's affairs.
>>
>> What did God expect after he downgraded all of creation?
>>
>God didn't downgrade His creation.

Genesis says he did.

>Humans decided they wanted to go their own way and to ignore God's
>warning of the consequences.

What did God expect when he made Adam and Eve that way?

>> >.... and that is what post-judgment Hell will
>> >be - total separation from God and God's standards and goodness.
>>
>> God has made such a mess of things that separation would have to
>> be an improvement, but why doesn't God just lift the curse he put on
>> us at the fall?
>>
>God has provided the way whereby the curse can be lifted.

God was very quick to curse us but very slow to lift the curse.

>John 3 : 16
>For God so loved the world ...(and that means He loves you too,
>Barry), that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believes
>in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.

I've never understood why God needs a ritual.

>Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
>We are saved by grace (the unmerited favour of God), through faith,
>and that not of ourselves (anything that we have to do to merit that
>salvation)
>it is the gift of God.
>Not of works (good deeds that we can do) lest any one should boast (in
>them).

Of course. God must know we can only be the way he made us.
God was very quick to curse us by very slack when it comes to fixing
the mess he made of creation.

>Gladys Swager

Barry
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