"lynx" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Chuck Stamford wrote:
>
>> "lynx" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Mark T wrote:
>>>
>>>> "lynx" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>>> Are you saying that's all there is about Jesus in John's gospel?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> All that Jesus really said ... yep!
>>>>>>
>>>>> How can you know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> "Archeology" of the text including textual criticism, source theory,
>>>> orality and memory, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> My knowledge of the bible is very incomplete and random
>>>>>
>>>> It doesn't have to be that way.
>>>>
>>>> The easiest book describing what I am talking about is John Shelby
>>>> Spong's "Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentism" which is available at
>>>> Angus and Robertson, Dymocks, Borders, etc.
>>>>
>>> ah yes.. Pong. I've heard of him. Another anti-Christianity
'christian'.
>>>
>>
>> Spong is a self-proclaimed atheist, Pete.
>
> Why am I not surprised..
>
>> As for what Mark is talking about as fact, his source is largely the
>> works of a few modern NT scholars, many from the now infamous "Jesus
>> Seminar". You will note Mark's "either/or" approach to the issue of
why
>> the gospels were written? They can't, according to his mind set, have
>> been written to make more converts BY informing them of Jesus' life.
>> They must have been written for one or the other purposes, and since we
>> know they were written to make converts, we should, according to this
>> spurious line of criticism, jettison any consideration of their
>> historical accuracy.
>>
>> The truth is, the majority of NT scholars do not ascribe to what Mark
is
>> relating as if it were fact. They certainly do not follow Robert
Funk's
>> notion that out of John's entire gospel, only three snippets of Jesus'
>> recorded utterances were things He actually said.
>>
>> I find I can only let Mark try to fill your sock with so much manure
and
>> stay silent. When he arrives at the point of mischaracterizing fringe
NT
>> scholar****p as "fact", it's time to speak up.
>>
>
> He has me a disadvantage because of my lack of knowledge in these
matters.
> I shouldn't get involved, I know that. I guess I'm just a glutton for
> punishment. Feel fee to start shoveling anytime.
Try this:
http://www.bible.org/index.php?scid=1
That should keep you busy for quite a while. I haven't gone through all
of
it, but if what I have is representational of the rest, it should show you
why it is that Mark is a manure salesman.
All the best,
Chuck Stamford
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