Re: Hell (was The Wall)

Chuck Stamford wrote:
 
> "lynx" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>> Mark T wrote:
>>     
>>> "lynx" <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
>>>>>> Are you saying that's all there is about Jesus in John's gospel?
>>>>>>
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>>>>> All that Jesus really said ... yep!
>>>>>           
>>>> How can you know?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> "Archeology" of the text including textual criticism, source theory, 
>>> orality and memory, etc.
>>>       
>>>> My knowledge of the bible is very incomplete and random
>>>>         
>>> It doesn't have to be that way.
>>>
>>> The easiest book describing what I am talking about is John Shelby 
>>> Spong's "Rescuing The Bible From Fundamentism" which is available at 
>>> Angus and Robertson, Dymocks, Borders, etc.
>>>       
>> ah yes.. Pong. I've heard of him. Another anti-Christianity
'christian'.
>>     
>
> Spong is a self-proclaimed atheist, Pete. 
 
Why am I not surprised..
 
>  As for what Mark is talking about 
> as fact, his source is largely the works of a few modern NT scholars,
many 
> from the now infamous "Jesus Seminar".  You will note Mark's "either/or"

> approach to the issue of why the gospels were written?  They can't, 
> according to his mind set, have been written to make more converts BY 
> informing them of Jesus' life.  They must have been written for one or
the 
> other purposes, and since we know they were written to make converts, we

> should, according to this spurious line of criticism, jettison any 
> consideration of their historical accuracy.
>
> The truth is, the majority of NT scholars do not ascribe to what Mark is

> relating as if it were fact.  They certainly do not follow Robert Funk's

> notion that out of John's entire gospel, only three snippets of Jesus' 
> recorded utterances were things He actually said.
>
> I find I can only let Mark try to fill your sock with so much manure and

> stay silent.  When he arrives at the point of mischaracterizing fringe
NT 
> scholar****p as "fact", it's time to speak up.
>   
 
He has me a disadvantage because of my lack of knowledge in these 
matters. I shouldn't get involved, I know that. I guess I'm just a 
glutton for punishment. Feel fee to start shoveling anytime.
 
> All the best,
>
> Chuck Stamford 
>
>
>   


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rgds,

Pete
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