Re: Hell II (Was: Rational thought etc.)

On Fri, 9 May 2008 10:52:44 +1000, "Andrew Lamb" <LifeHope@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:

>On 5/05/2008 3:15:33 PM, misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
>> On May 3, 12:22 pm, Sean McHugh <se...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> ~ In 1999, Pope John Paul II made headlines by saying hell should be
>>> ~ seen not as a fiery underworld but as "the state of those who
>>> ~ freely and definitively separate themselves from God,
>> 
>> That is hell? A life without any reference to gods, pixies, and
>> externally imposed absolutes, threats, or manipulation?  If you'll
>> excuse the pun, it sounds like heaven to me!!
>> 
>
>A life without any reference to gods? The world already has that, in
North
>Korea, where the even word "god" was banned decades ago - see
>http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5393#saltmines
I encourage you
to
>emigrate to there Curmudgeon, then you would really get a taste of hell,
>oops, 'heaven' on earth.
>
>In fact atheist regimes have a consistent record of producing hell on
earth -
>Stalin in the USSR and Mao in China, who murdered citizens by the tens of
>millions. Pol Pot in Cambodia, and Robespierre in France, wannabees who
tried
>hard but just had far fewer citizens available to kill. See the
two-minute
>FoolsHeart clip http://www.foolsheart.com
for a brief overview of the
>hell-on-earth produced by atheists when they get into power.
>
>Ever since the Fall sinful people have wanted to exclude God from
mankind's
>affairs.

What did God expect after he downgraded all of creation?

> That is what produces hell, and that is what post-judgment Hell will
>be - total separation from God and God's standards and goodness.

God has made such a mess of things that separation would have to
be an improvement, but why doesn't God just lift the curse he put on
us at the fall?

>Andrew   

Barry
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