Re: Hell II (Was: Rational thought etc.)

On May 9, 12:52 pm, "Andrew Lamb" <LifeH...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
[snip]
> >> ~ In 1999, Pope John Paul II made headlines by saying hell should be
> >> ~ seen not as a fiery underworld but as "the state of those who
> >> ~ freely and definitively separate themselves from God,
>
> > That is hell? A life without any reference to gods, pixies, and
> > externally imposed absolutes, threats, or manipulation?  If you'll
> > excuse the pun, it sounds like heaven to me!!
>
> A life without any reference to gods? The world already
> has that, in North Korea, [snip] Stalin in the USSR
> and Mao in China, who murdered citizens by the tens of
> millions. Pol Pot in Cambodia, and Robespierre in France,

Your arguement appears to be "some nasty fascists who have
simultaneuosly slaughtered thousands have also advocated atheism,
therefore atheism is bad."

The logical fallacies in such an argument are obvious to a 10-year-
old, and I am sure you can do better than that.

Further if I follow the logic you present, anything advocated by
killers is inherently bad.  Tell me what religious values were
espoused by
 - both sides in WW1,
 - the Inquisition,
 - the conquest of South America
 - etc.

Do you now see the senselessness of your (il)logic?




> Ever since the Fall sinful people have wanted to exclude
> God from mankind's affairs.

That arguement assumes the event you refered to as 'the fall' (for
which no evidence exists other the rhetoric) and the existeince of
your god (and not the thousands of others which have been alledged to
exists - and no eveidence exists for any of them.