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Re: Hell II (Was: Rational thought etc.)

by Sean McHugh <seanm@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 10, 2008 at 09:00 AM

Sorry if I was too late in cancelling and this appears twice:

**Rowland Croucher** wrote:
> 
> Sean McHugh wrote:
> <>
> > Doing a search on the occurrences of a word might seem like being
> > thorough, but it isn't. What you needed to do, at a minimum, was find
> > what word was translated as "Hell" and then do a search on _that_
> > word. The Hebrew word that gets translated to 'Hell' is she'owl
> > (H7585) which is often written as 'sheol'. The first occurrence of
> > 'sheol' occurs in Genesis 37:35. There it is merely translated to
> > 'grave'. Here is a list of the first ten occurrences of 'sheol' with
> > the corresponding KJV translation:
> >
> >
> > Gen 37:35  -->  'grave'
> > Gen 42:38  -->  'grave'
> > Gen 44:29  -->  'grave'
> > Gen 44:31  -->  'grave'
> > Num 16:30  -->  'pit'
> > Num 16:33  -->  'pit'
> > Deu 32:22  -->  'hell'
> > 1 Sam 2:6  -->  'grave'
> > 2 Sam 22:6 -->  'hell'
> > 1 Ki 2:6   -->  'grave'
> 
> Couple of comments:
> 
> The KJV would be the last translation I'd use to back up theological
> assertions...
> 
> > All up, sheol gets translated to 'grave' 31 times, to 'pit' 3 times
> > and to 'hell' 31 times. It should be clear that there is expedience
> > happening here and Christians in the translating, have imposed their
> > eschatology onto the Old Testament.
> 
> So use modern translations where Jewish scholars were either directly
> involved, or acted as front-line consultants (there are quite a few of
> these, beginning, I think, with the Jerusalem Bible and the NEB).

I think it would have been better to have retained the fact that I was
responding to someone who had cited the KJV to make an eschatological
point.
 
 
<snip>

 Best Regards,
 
 Sean McHugh
 




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misanthropic_curmudgeon &  2008-04-29 01:13:14 
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"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-29 14:49:52 
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Sean McHugh <seanm@[EM  2008-04-30 10:37:50 
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**Rowland Croucher** <  2008-04-30 10:50:59 
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Sean McHugh <seanm@[EM  2008-04-30 11:25:04 
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lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 01:52:40 
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**Rowland Croucher** <  2008-05-08 12:31:25 
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