Re: Hell II (Was: Rational thought etc.)

Andrew Lamb wrote:
 
> On 5/05/2008 3:15:33 PM, misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
>   
>> On May 3, 12:22 pm, Sean McHugh <se...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>     
>>> ~ In 1999, Pope John Paul II made headlines by saying hell should be
>>> ~ seen not as a fiery underworld but as "the state of those who
>>> ~ freely and definitively separate themselves from God,
>>>       
>> That is hell? A life without any reference to gods, pixies, and
>> externally imposed absolutes, threats, or manipulation?  If you'll
>> excuse the pun, it sounds like heaven to me!!
>>
>>     
>
> A life without any reference to gods? The world already has that, in
North
> Korea, where the even word "god" was banned decades ago - see
> http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/5393#saltmines
I encourage you
to
> emigrate to there Curmudgeon, then you would really get a taste of hell,
> oops, 'heaven' on earth.
>
> In fact atheist regimes have a consistent record of producing hell on
earth -
> Stalin in the USSR and Mao in China, who murdered citizens by the tens
of
> millions. Pol Pot in Cambodia, and Robespierre in France, wannabees who
tried
> hard but just had far fewer citizens available to kill. See the
two-minute
> FoolsHeart clip http://www.foolsheart.com
for a brief overview of the
> hell-on-earth produced by atheists when they get into power.
>
> Ever since the Fall sinful people have wanted to exclude God from
mankind's
> affairs. That is what produces hell, and that is what post-judgment Hell
will
> be - total separation from God and God's standards and goodness.
>   
 
Good perspective.
 
Two points from that website/video:
 
1. "If God does not exist then everything is permitted"
 
2. ".. atheism is paving a wide road for Islam to advance in our nation 
and around the world."
 
Both worthy of further discussion I feel.
 
> Andrew   
>
>   


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