Chris Bell wrote:
> lynx wrote:
>> Chris Bell wrote:
>>
>>> lynx wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lynx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Bell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lynx wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Bell wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Barry OGrady wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:45 GMT, lynx <none@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *snip*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What Mark calls God the rest of us call nature or the universe.
>>>>>>>>>> No wonder Mark's God lacks intelligence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God lacks intelligence? How can that be when God is infinite,
>>>>>>>>> encompassing the whole universe and all the "intelligent"
>>>>>>>>> beings with it? Seems to me that God has all the intelligence.
>>>>>>>>> Its someone closer to home who lacks in that department Barry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If this world is the best an 'intelligent' God can do, then he
>>>>>>>> stuffed up big time! and it speaks very little for His so-called
>>>>>>>> intelligence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand this comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh really? You think that a world where the lot of mankind is to
>>>>>> suffer from all manner of causes- natural disasters, famine,
>>>>>> sickness and disease, etc.,- and whose only remedy is the slow and
>>>>>> painstaking evolution of knowledge of how to overcome this
>>>>>> situation over countless centuries is a good plan?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who am I to question what God does or doesn't do?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a potentially dangerous way of thinking. What if ppl had said
>>>> 'who am I to question what the Sun God does?'
>>>>
>>> Why is that dangerous?
>>
>>
>> It limits your thinking, and the 'who am I' attitude is
>> psychologically harmful as it's a put down of oneself. It can
>> facilitate a mindset that is not beneficial.
>>
> I generally agree with that, but I think that God is beyond your or my
> comprehension, and that makes this a different situation. If you look
> through the bible and ask the question "why does God do that", it gets
> pretty difficult to answer at many points.
>
>>> What I think is dangerous is when you don't question those who claim
>>> to speak for God.
>>>
>>>>> What makes you think that the suffering of mankind should be an
>>>>> overriding concern of God?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So your position is that God is happy to allow his creations to die
>>>> and suffer in pain and misery. What does that say about God?
>>>>
>>> No, I am not saying that. I am saying that God suffers with us in our
>>> pain and misery.
>>
>>
>> So God is not omnipotent.
>>
> I didn't say that. I don't actually think that is a relevant question to
> ask. I certainly don't see any evidence that he is, or that he isn't.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> This world is still evolving, and it is likely if not certain
>>>>>>> that it will produce much more intelligence yet, probably through
>>>>>>> intelligent machines (computers) which will have many times the
>>>>>>> information processing power of us mere humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>> So if intelligence is the be all and end all of this world, then it
>>>>> isn't finished yet, and you cannot make derogatory remarks about
>>>>> God's intelligence from an imperfect perspective.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never said anything about intelligence being 'the be all and end
>>>> all of this world'. I'm not sure what your point is or what you're
>>>> saying. Are you saying that God hasn't finished 'creating' yet?
>>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>>
>> What then is He still creating?
>>
> Don't know. He doesn't confide that sort of information with me. You
> could try asking him. I keep asking him to make me a better person, and
> I hope he is.
<>
I think most Christian scholars/teachers would say 'yes', principally
based on this:
Jesus said: "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I,
too, am working."
The Amplified Bible brings out another level of meaning:
"...My Father has worked [even] until now, [He has never ceased
working; He is still working] and I, too, must be at [divine] work."
(PS I need more time for the Hell responses... I'll hopefully get to
them in a couple of days...)
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