On May 1, 7:33 am, Athanasius <dcn_athanas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 7:15 pm, "(: Lawrence :)" <lmec...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 30, 12:14 pm, Athanasius <dcn_athanas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > I do not think that Rowland believes in "Hell" as a place of pain
and
> > > separation. Nor do I think Rowland believes any humans go to such a
> > > "hell" anyway. So in his mind he is not leading anyone there, you
> > > see.
>
> > Whereas in your mind, if people don't follow you, believe in you, or
> > do what you say in the way you want, they are going to hell.. All
> > those Protestants following their 'experience' and those sucky
> > Churches of Christ who have crackers and grape juice.. are simply not
> > good enough to be your brethren, right?
>
> Not at all. Thats your false parody of the Orthodox position.
Facts for the audience at large:
1. You've not always held the Orthodox position. You were (for a large
part of your life as far as I can tell) involved with the very groups
you talk of 'grapejuice' and 'experience'.
2. I can quite easily dial up the relevant statements verbatim said by
yourself in regards to those people who use grapejuice and experience
(as you see it).
> The Orthodox position continues to teach what it always has regarding
> salvation.
See point 1 for contrast. You always haven't taught it. You always
haven't believed it. You are not a clone, no matter how much you
sacrifice your integrity to conform to Orthodoxy (as you know it).
That means you arrived where you were.. and that does beg the
possibility that you will move on, sooner or later.
> Whether new "churches" deviate away from that historical
> Christian position is a matter for themselves and God at the Last Day.
You were part of those churches and now all you can do is do this
trite, subtle "they're not good enough for Jesus cos they're not
Orthodox" subterfuge. Ironic, eh ?
> Orthodoxy is content to leave them to their own imaginings, whilst
> strenuously defending the truth that she guards.
And she can be a right royal *****, can't she ? Orthodoxy is orthodoxy
till death do you part, not orthopraxis. Doctrine can't bear fruit, no
matter how much dogma is involved. Living justly and loving in
practice can bear fruit.
> > Contrast is a wonderful thing. ;)
>
> Indeed it is. :-)
I know.. A while back I asked what sin you would commit if you treated
Ninure as a human being and not an object of your scorn and wrath..
and it begs a similar question now.
What sin will you commit if you love God more than you love the
institutionalised church you know as Orthodoxy ?
There.. Stark and contrasted enough for you, or will I turn on my
spare 20k halogens?
lawrence
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