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Re: Does God exist?

by Chris Bell <cbell@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM

swa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On Apr 27, 1:48 pm, Chris Bell  wrote:
> 
>>>On Apr 27, 11:05 am, swa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
>>
> <snip>
> 
> God  Questions and Answers
> http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3008/
> 
> Is There a God?
> http://everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
> 
> 
>>A website for you Gladys (and other ID believers)
>>http://www.newscientist.com/evolutionmyths
>>
> 
> Chris, The website you have given tells those who read it that
> 'evolution is the truth' and that that truth is not taught properly.
> But it does not tell that the 'Theory of Evolution'  gives no
> indication how the whole process started and WHO started it. It's all
> a naturalistic process.

Are you suggesting that the creation of the world was not naturalistic? 
Please explain.
> 
> Sometime in the vast ages of the past something that was not living
> suddenly of itself became living as a unicellular organism that had to
> have irreducible complexity to be able to live and divide into other
> organisms.

I have asked you several times to define living for me. So far, you have 
refused to answer. Unless you can do so, your comments above are 
meaningless.

> At least two of those organisms in the same place and very much at the
> same time had to,. of themselves, develop male and female ***uality,
> and to 'know' how to express that ***uality in reproduction.
>
***ual reproduction came quite late on in evolution (and its progress is 
well documented). You should check your facts before you post nonsense.

> Evolution is the 'so-so myth'.
> It makes more sense that the omnipotent God Almighty created in a
> perfect state, but gave humans the ability to chose
> right and wrong. It is from the first choice of wrong that wrongs are
> still in the world today.
> 
Was it wrong to choose to eat meat? In the Garden of Eden there was no 
death, and hence no meat eating. Are you a vegetarian? Do you know who 
killed the first animals according to Genesis?

> The Christian faith is that as Jesus Christ overcame the wrong of
> death on the cross and was raised from death, that, as He promised, He
> will be with us to help us overcome wrongs as we meet them in our
> circumstances, and will, at the end of this life, experience Eternal
> Life  with God Almighty.

What does it mean to "experience eternal life" as you have put it?
> 
> These are my thoughts as I have not read them elsewhere.
> Charles Darwin, (1809 - 1882) either did not know the work of
> scientists who were Christians who were responsible for the
> improvements that have come or he ignored that fact.
> He dropped out of medical studies (I don't blame him for that, I would
> have too in the circumstances of medical practice in those days - even
> today).
> He passed in theology,  but evidently didn't like the idea of being
> the village parson.
> He appeared to be a failure, to himself and to his family.
> He had an interest in nature.
> On his voyage in the Beagle, in the Galapogas Islands he saw the
> possiblility of solving the evolutionary problem that had first been
> set by the Greek philosopher, Anaxamander, and of which his
> grandfather Erasmus Darwin (1731 - 1802) wrote in his text, Zoonamia.
> 
He remained a faithful christian to the end of his life.

> But what Charles Darwin actually did was to extrapolate from change
> within a species to change from one species to another species, and
> suggested that the fossil record would provide the evidence.
> 
> And close to 150 years later the topic is still being debated and
> despite intense indoctrination (ie no other evidence to the contrary
> is presented).
> in the schools and universities, there are those who are stating from
> the scientific evidence they have that
> 'Evolution (ie macro-changes from one species to another species 'up
> the tree of life'  didn't happen in the past and is not happening in
> the present' .
> 
They are a very small minority.

> The secularists have their religion = evolution.

Not true. Evolution is science, religion is not. If some have turned it 
into a religion, that is their problem, not mine.

> The Christians have their religion = God created, humans sinned, God
> is guiding to a better future those who put their trust in Him.
> 
> That is not to say that secularists (atheists) are not involved in
> that process of improvements, but they do have a tendancy to claim all
> the credits, as I am aware from my educational work and to extrapolate
> that to other areas.
> Even some Christians can 'jump on the bandwaggon' and claim all the
> credits for themselves or their particular denomination of the
> Christian church. .
> 
Many christians believe in the theory of evolution. Check church belief 
surveys.

> Gladys Swager

Chris
 




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