On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:33:39 -0700 (PDT), "swa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<swager@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>On Apr 25, 8:51 pm, Barry OGrady wrote:
>
>> A LOVING AND CARING GOD???
>>
>> In your God's world; Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Wars,
>> Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and
>> starvation exist that torture both man and animals. There are 12,000
known
>> ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number
torture
>> and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive
diseases
>> affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful God create all
these
>> diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect
>> people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and
>> ANIMALS!
>>
>****All those illnesses and conditions have come into the world
> because of the disobedience and sin of humans****.
You left out that
****All those humans have come into the world because of God****
>> Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in
West
>> Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes
total
>> blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and
>> loving creator or any competent creator for that matter???
>>
>And in Africa there are Christians working through quite a number of
>organisations to eradicate the problems that exist there. One of my
>pupils in the NSW Education Department worked in a part of Africa
>after graduating in Medicine at one of this state's Universities. I
>have been told that he is now doing research into an illness that
>affects children.
>The AIDS virus began in Africa due to a mistake by humans in the
>laboratory.
>There are Christians working to help those affected by that disease,
>together wirh others who have been motivated by caring/sharing
>attitudes.
>Are you doing anything to help with that problem. Barry, or with
>others?
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>> Why would any all powerful competent God permit totally innocent
children to
>> die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain,
>> deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
>
>There are times when it is better for children with congenital
>diseases to die at birth. I was a baby who was not expected to live
>six weeks before birth, but did survive. In my adult life I have been
>able to make improvements in a number of areas of living. And others
>have also been able to make their contributions despite handicaps.
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>> Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
>
>In modern times it may be that those approaching the age of
>procreation do not prepare themselves adequately as they insist that
>they have a right to do as they like, when in fact they are abusing
>their bodies with drugs, alchohol in excess, and tobacco.
>When you grow up on a farm, as I did, you come to realise how
>im****tant it is to choose the best stock for procreation.
>I do not believe that Governments have a right to choose who shall
>procreate and who shall not in a eugenics problem such as Hitler
>wanted to have.
>Those of an age to procreate should prepare themselves adequately, or
>in some instances choose not to procreate.
In some countries women as young as 12 are becoming pregnant but
they are unable to deliver the baby. The baby dies and is expelled but
damage is done to the bladder which causes it to leak. The woman
are unable to go out in public because they always smell of urine.
What sort of creator makes a system where women can conceive
before they are old enough to give birth?
>>Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor?
>
>That can depend to some degree on the careful management of money in
>previous generations. But financial wealth is not an absolute
>necessity for happiness and success in life.
Why does God allow that?
>> Why does He permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and
die of
>> starvation each year?
>
>Is that God's responsibility?
If there is a creator/sustainer God then yes.
>Innocent children have parents and a certain number of parents and
>non-parents form the governments of their countries.
>When leaders choose to go to war against other countries they bring
>the adverse consequences upon their own peoples and the peoples of the
>other country.
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>>. Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
>> into a miserable and devastating old age?
>>
>It is possible to manage conditions in old age better now than has
>been the situation in past centuries. However, a life-span of a
>certain number of years means that more people can live on this
>planet.
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>> Why would God create a gene for vitamin C synthesis in most
>> mammals, but stop it working in humans and chimps?
>>
>You do not have the evidence that it was God Who
>stopped that gene working in humans and chimps.
> As an Atheistic evolutionist you should be able to supply a reason
>why there was a discontinuance of that gene when the chimpanzees
>occurred on the evolutionary tree/cladistic branch.
As a creationist you should be able to supply a reason why a caring
and loving creator or any competent creator would do such.
>It seems to me you sup****t evolution when it suits you, and then
>choose to blame God when it seems to you that there is not an
>evolutionary answer.
In your efforts to avoid being critical of the creator you blame
the created for the way the creator made them.
>> Why would God create a lizard that reproduces by parthenogenesis,
>> and still give it the need to attempt copulation?
>>
>I haven't read much into lizard behaviour to give you an explanation.
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>> Why would God create birds without the power of flight, yet give them
>> wings they cannot use?
>>
>I have read that large birds such as the emu, ostrich use their wings
>to stablise themselves as they run quickly over the ground.
Is this evidence of a caring and loving creator or any competent
creator for that matter?
>> Why would God create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete
>> darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work?
>>
>They may not have always lived in complete darkness. They have adapted
>to it as their environment has changed. The genes are there for the
>making of the eyes, but the sight is no longer needed.
Are you saying they evolved?
>> If an all powerful God created this, why did He make so many horrible
>> mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and
>> suffering???
>>
>God didn't make the mistakes. It was the chosen behaviours of humans
>that brought the problems into humankind.
You left out that
****All those humans have come into the world because of God****
>> Why would any all powerful God create things like sharks, jelly fish,
>> octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous s****s, stinging and
poisonous
>> insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would He create animals (including
man)
>> that need to kill and eat other animals to survive?
>>
>They had no need to kill each other when their ancestors were first
>created. They were all herbivores. It was later that some other
>animals were used for food.
No caring and loving creator would permit such a thing.
>> IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful,
all
>> caring and all loving God not permit those in His heaven to communicate
the
>> wonders of his Heaven to their living children, relatives and friends?
Why
>> all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged
and
>> persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence -
they
>> are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS.
>>
>Didn't Jesus Christ do that.
>See Luke 16 : 19 - 31
Quite the reverse according to those passages or in reality.
So why the secrecy and confusion?
>> Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent
gods;
>>
>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>> Then He is not omnipotent.
>> Is He able, but not willing?
>> Then He is malevolent.
>> Is He both able and willing?
>> Then where does evil come from?
>> Is He neither able nor willing?
>> Then why call him ... God?
>> These God tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry
Potter
>> stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus.
>> The objective evidence is that Gods did not create man but quite the
>> opposite; man created gods!
>> Where is ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY Gods actually
exist?
>>
>God Questions and Answers
>http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3008/
>
>That will give an amount of evidence on the other side of this issue.
There is no evidence at that link. They try to make people feel like
fools if they don't believe the creationist nonsense.
>Or it it you do not want evidence?
I would welcome evidence but I have not seen any.
They come up with all sorts of convoluted explanations that mostly
come down to we don't know so it just might be God, but they can't
make God look good.
>You only want to continue your attacks on God,
>because you do not want God in your life?
There is no God worthy of being in my life.
>Gladys Swager
Barry
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