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Re: Does God exist?

by "swa@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <swager@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 10:33 PM

On Apr 25, 8:51=A0pm, Barry OGrady  wrote:

> A LOVING AND CARING GOD???
>
> In your God's world; Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
War=
s,
> Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions
a=
nd
> starvation exist that torture both man and animals. =A0There are 12,000
=
=A0known
> ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number
torture
> and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive
diseas=
es
> affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful God create all these
> diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect
> people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN and
> ANIMALS!
>
****All those illnesses and conditions have come into the world
     because of the disobedience and sin of humans****.

> Just one small example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in
West
> Africa that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total
> blindness for the rest of their lives. Is this evidence of a caring and
> loving creator or any competent creator for that matter???
>
And in Africa there are Christians working through quite a number of
organisations to eradicate the problems that exist there. One of my
pupils in the NSW Education Department worked in a part of Africa
after graduating in Medicine at one of this state's Universities. I
have been told that he is now doing research into an illness that
affects children.
The AIDS virus began in Africa due to a mistake by humans in the
laboratory.
There are Christians working to help those affected by that disease,
together wirh others who have been motivated by caring/sharing
attitudes.
Are you doing anything to help with that problem. Barry, or with
others?

> Why would any all powerful competent God permit totally innocent
children =
to
> die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain,=

> deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?

There are times when it is better for children with congenital
diseases to die at birth. I was a baby who was not expected to live
six weeks before birth, but did survive. In my adult life I have been
able to make improvements in a number of areas of living. And others
have also been able to make their contributions despite handicaps.

 Why are some born idiots and others with
> super intelligence?

In modern times it may be that those approaching the age of
procreation do not prepare themselves adequately as they insist that
they have a right to do as they like, when in fact they are abusing
their bodies with drugs, alchohol in excess, and tobacco.
When you grow up on a farm, as I did, you come to realise how
im****tant it is to choose the best stock for procreation.
I do not believe that Governments have a right to choose who shall
procreate and who shall not in a eugenics problem such as Hitler
wanted to have.
Those of an age to procreate should prepare themselves adequately, or
in some instances choose not to procreate.

Why are some born into wealth and others pauper poor?

That can depend to some degree on the careful management of money in
previous generations. But financial wealth is not an absolute
necessity for happiness and success in life.

> Why does He permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to suffer and die
o=
f
> starvation each year?

Is that God's responsibility? Innocent children have parents and
a certain number of parents and non-parents form the governments of
their
countries.
When leaders choose to go to war against other countries they bring
the adverse consequences upon their own peoples and the peoples of the
other country

=2E Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
> into a miserable and devastating old age?
>
It is possible to manage conditions in old age better now than has
been the situation in past centuries. However, a life-span of a
certain number of years means that more people can live on this
planet.

> Why would God create a gene for vitamin C synthesis in most mammals, but
> stop it working in humans and chimps?
>
You do not have the evidence that it was God Who
stopped that gene working in humans and chimps.
 As an Atheistic evolutionist you should be able to supply a reason
why there was a discontinuance of that gene when the chimpanzees
occurred on the evolutionary tree/cladistic branch.

It seems to me you sup****t evolution when it suits you, and then
choose to blame God when it seems to you that there is not an
evolutionary answer.

> Why would God create a lizard that reproduces by parthenogenesis, and
> still give it the need to attempt copulation?
>
I haven't read much into lizard behaviour to give you an explanation.

> Why would God create birds without the power of flight, yet give them
> wings they cannot use?
>
I have read that large birds such as the emu, ostrich use their wings
to stablise themselves  as they run quickly over the ground.

> Why would God create cave-dwelling creatures that live in complete
> darkness, yet give them eyes that don't work?
>
They may not have always lived in complete darkness. They have adapted
to it as their environment has changed. The genes are there for the
making of the eyes, but the sight is no longer needed.

> If an all powerful God created this, why did He make so many horrible
> mistakes and create this huge multitude of imperfections, pain and
> suffering???
>
God didn't make the mistakes. It was the chosen behaviours of humans
that brought the problems into humankind.

> Why would any all powerful God create things like sharks, jelly fish,
> octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous s****s, stinging and
poisono=
us
> insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why would He create animals (including
man=
)
> that need to kill and eat other animals to survive?
>
They had no need to kill each other when their ancestors were first
created. They were all herbivores. It was later that some other
animals were used for food.
> IF there is an after life and a 'heaven' why does this all powerful, all
> caring and all loving God not permit those in His heaven to communicate
th=
e
> wonders of his Heaven to their living children, relatives and friends?
Why=

> all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven claims by the mentally deranged
an=
d
> persons with selfish motives are not objective verifiable evidence -
they
> are just unsubstantiated silly OPINIONS.
>
Didn't Jesus Christ do that.
See Luke 16 : 19 - 31

> Logic and common sense that refutes the existence of any omnipotent
gods;
>
> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
> Then He is not omnipotent.
> Is He able, but not willing?
> Then He is malevolent.
> Is He both able and willing?
> Then where does evil come from?
> Is He neither able nor willing?
> Then why call him ... God?
> These God tales make no more sense than Aesop's Fables, the Harry Potter
> stories, the Wizard of Oz, or Santa Claus.
> The objective evidence is that Gods did not create man but quite the
> opposite; man created gods!
> Where is ANY objective verifiable evidence that =A0ANY Gods actually
exist=
?
>
God  Questions and Answers
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3008/

That will give an amount of evidence on the other side of this issue.
Or it it you do not want evidence?
You only want to continue your attacks on God,
because you do not want God in your life?

Gladys Swager
 




 61 Posts in Topic:
A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-25 20:51:10 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-25 22:33:39 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-26 18:05:38 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-26 18:08:57 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-27 11:48:17 
Re: Does God exist?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-27 03:48:45 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-28 14:54:12 
Re: Does God exist?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-28 10:44:28 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-28 21:12:36 
Re: Does God exist?
"Theo Bekkers"   2008-04-29 07:28:49 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-29 14:20:03 
Re: Does God exist?
"Theo Bekkers"   2008-04-29 13:27:27 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-29 19:27:22 
Re: Does God exist?
Sean McHugh <seanm@[EM  2008-04-27 11:13:50 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-26 18:26:31 
Re: Does God exist?
Sean McHugh <seanm@[EM  2008-04-27 11:50:12 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-27 16:21:30 
Does Gravity exist?
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-28 10:53:08 
Re: Does God exist?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-28 10:54:58 
Re: Does God exist?
"Theo Bekkers"   2008-04-29 07:30:54 
Re: Gravity exists.
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-27 19:57:42 
Gravity AND EVOLUTION exist!
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-28 16:42:33 
Re: Gravity exists.
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-30 13:42:29 
Re: Does God exist?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-28 14:54:11 
Re: God - the Creator - exists.
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-28 20:41:21 
Re: God - the Creator - exists.
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-29 08:30:04 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-28 21:50:34 
Re: Does God exist?
"Theo Bekkers"   2008-04-29 13:21:35 
Re: Does God exist?
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-28 23:27:09 
Re: God is a loving God.
"swa@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-03 00:20:10 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-27 09:20:34 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-27 09:40:13 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-28 07:49:19 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-28 11:06:34 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-28 21:30:16 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-28 13:31:45 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-29 09:54:15 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-30 13:42:29 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-30 06:08:36 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-30 16:30:51 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 07:44:14 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 07:42:22 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-30 10:06:10 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-30 12:42:24 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-04-30 23:19:41 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-01 03:09:02 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-05-02 12:30:01 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-02 12:39:37 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-05-02 12:50:16 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-03 03:15:10 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-05-03 04:26:29 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-03 05:01:57 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-05-03 11:10:51 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-05-04 01:44:11 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Chris Bell <cbell@[EMA  2008-05-04 06:56:50 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
**Rowland Croucher** <  2008-05-03 20:54:03 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
lynx <none@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-28 13:41:03 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
"Mark T" <sn  2008-04-29 09:56:41 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-29 14:13:10 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-29 14:10:44 
Re: A loveing and careing God?
Barry OGrady <god_free  2008-04-28 14:54:12 

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