On Apr 15, 4:33=A0pm, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
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> > Theo Bekkers wrote:
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> Well Gladys, you'll be pleased to know that they do preach the same, in
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> RC churches.
It is not a matter of preaching the same in all churches. It is a
matter of what the clergy have to preach from the dictates of the
hierarchy of the RC Church.
The RC churches are so much bigger than any other Christian
> church that the others are pretty much irrelevant, but still they insist
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> preaching thousands of different doctrines, almost one doctrine for each
> suburb. And you think the RC should conform to them? They don't conform
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> each other. If all the Protestant churches combined and agreed to teach
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> same thing in every parish, they would still only be half the size of
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Why has the Vatican the numbers? In countries such as Italy, Spain,
****tugal and others in Europe, Ireland, South America and some Asian
countries there is not much op****tunity to be anything else.
Was it Ignatius who said something like:- 'Give me a child before s/he
is six and others will not be able to change him later.' Not quite
right, I still have to look that up.
He was not exactly right because there have been those who have left
the Roman Catholic Church and others at later times in their lives for
a variety of reasons.
Australia has more Roman Catholics now but those who were involved in
recruiting migrants in the post-war years especially from Europe chose
the families with the largest number of children represented. The
Church at Rome has been more interested in the numbers of children
than their health or growing up in poverty, and certainly only very
little in the
well-being of the mothers. Women were considered baby-factories.
My English Anglican grandmother had seven children from my Irish Roman
Catholic grandfather and had to place them on the records of the Roman
Catholic Church. She was not allowed to choose for herself. She was
left with six orphans (one baby died shortly after birth) when he died
some time after my father (the youngest) was born.
> > But how to get rid of the confusion that was brought about with the
> > separation of the Orthodox Churches from Rome in the eleventh century,
> > as I have read, because of a difference in the understanding of part
> > of the creed
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> I think you misunderstand that, as well as many other things.
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> is gonna love this) The Orthodox churches never separated from the
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> Church Gladys. They just never joined together. When Christianity grew
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> formed many groups with a common creed. The church in Rome joined most
of
> these together under the rule/guidance of Rome. The Eastern churches
> declined to join and stayed separate, and still are. There was never a
> schism because they were never joined in the first place. Sure, they
have
> minor liturgical differences but they are much more the same than
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Strange, I have read that it was the Great Schism that occurred in the
Eleventh Century.
> Luther was the problem. His problem was not so much with selling
> indulgences, he was doing that already. His beef was that Rome wanted
the
> indulgence money to build their cathedral, taking it from Luther's
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He was also struggling with how he could gain merit with God through
all the Vatican's rules.
> > The Lutherans in Germany and the Anglicans in England followed the
> > more formal order of service of wor****p as at Rome with certain
> > changes.
>
> Yup, they lost all the sacraments.
>
No, they have two sacraments - the Lord's Supper (Holy Communion) and
Baptism
> >> Predeterminism? You can't save yourself because saving is a gift
> >> from God? What about all the poor sods who didn't get that gift
> >> Gladys? What does your God call them? Discards?
> > I can't give an answer to that, But as Secularism, Evolution has been
> > imposed without any information to the contrary that the numbers of
> > Christians has decreased.
>
> What on earth does evolution have to do with your God's gift of grace
> Gladys?
>
It has this to do with it in that evolution does not teach that God
created it all happened by chance, the Bible is not right.
> > It is staggering when history is read as that history affected
> > ordinary people that people have been swayed one way or another
> > because of the charisma or whatever of the leaders, as has happened
> > even in modern times, in my own lifetime of close to eighty years.
>
> Like Billy Graham?
>
The Billy Graham Crusades swept through the world in the 1950's.
Television began in 1956, the contraceptive pill became available in
the early 1960's, the Women's Liberation movement followed, oh! I've
forgotten Austalia's own car, the Holden - date in the 1950's and
other faster means of trans****tation.
And some children were growing up more rebellious because of changed
disciplinary methods incorrectly applied, the drug scene began in
1960. Secularism took over.
> > Theo, What I pray to God is:- Lord, in your mercy, save us all,
>
> > If you reason that way, then Luther did have apostolic succession,
> > because of his priesthood in the Church at Rome, and he would have
> > passed it on to those who became pastors in the Luthern Church and
> > there was Roman Catholic clery in England who converted to
> > Protestantism who passed on apostolic succession.
>
> No, a priest cannot ordain a priest Gladys.
>
Whatever you call the Head priest he is still a priest.
> > But is Apostolic succession necessary?
>
www.gotquestions.org/apostolic-succession.html
>
> >> And why the concentration on Christ, who has only been around for
> >> 2000 years and not his Big Daddy, who has been around for eternity?
> >> RC an Orthodox don't have this unhealthy concentration on Christ
> >> alone. They don't even call themselves Christians, as they believe
> >> in, and primarily wor****p, God the Father, as Jesus did.
>
> > You are irreverant with your 'Big Daddy' idea.
> > You have to understand Who the Triune God is to understand this
> > issue.
>
> >http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity.html
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> Gladys, I can assure you that I had a good RC upbringing and understand
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> Trinity concept quite well. So where were Jesus and the Holy Ghost when
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> was creating stuff in Eden? In fact, where were they for the whole of
the
> Old Testament.
Weren't you taught about Christophanies in your good Roman Catholic
upbringing?
> They are both a Christian invention.
>
That's whAT YOU THINK. But are you correct?
> >> Who is this Christian High Priest you speak of? The Bishop of
> >> Canterbury?
> > Jesus Christ - the second person of the Triune God - One God Almighty.
> > Now you do have something to think about.
>
> So is Christ a priest or a deity?
>
Read the epistle to the Hebrews.
Gladys Swager
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