On Mar 28, 9:19=A0am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
> s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > I can see that the hierarchy of the Vatican are a law unto themselves.
> > They have added to the New Testament scriptures teaching untruths in
> > such a way that congregations have been led to believe they were
> > truths.
> > No wonder they placed the Bible on the index of forbidden books for
> > centuries, only to allow its reading snce Vatican II.
>
> Absolute bull**** Gladys. When I was a kid in the 40s and 50s every RC
hom=
e
> I knew had a bible. By the time I was eight I had read it cover to
cover.
> That would be 1951. Vatican II was when, 1962? My dad's cousin, Bishop
> Bekkers, went to it.
>
I appreciate your comments, Theo, even though I do not
like some language you use.
I guess I have lived too much of my life with young children and, some
might say 'separated from the real world'. I can't change those years
now.
Was you Bible the Latin Vulgate?
It may be that Wycliffe's English translation, as also Tyndale's who
was murdered, Luther's translation and others in the common languages
of Europeans countries that deviated (if that occurred) from the
Vulgate were the ones that were banned. Or might it have been just
because they were translations made by Protestants. I haven't found
that on the Internet, as yet.
Index Librorum Prohibitorum
http:.//en.wikipedia,org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
'The First Index was not published in Rome but in Roman Catholic
Netherlands (1529}, Venice (1543), and Paris (1629)'
'First (Roman) Catholic index under Paul IV (1557)
'The Index as an official list...was abolished in 1966 ..
following the end of Vatican II.
'Surprisingly, some authors whose views are generally unacceptable to
the'(Roman Catholic)'Church (eg. Charles Darwin, Karl Marx and Hitler)
were never put on the list.'
> > But prayers can't be made to Mary.
There is only one mediator between
> > God and us - the Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> How can 'God' be a mediator between man and 'God'?
>
It is within the understanding of the Triune God =3D God the Father, the
Son and the Holy Ghost within the Godhead =3D one God.
Mary and those called 'saints' cannot mediate with God, only Jesus
Christ, God's only begotten Son by the action of the Holy Spirit can
do that.
(1 Timothy 2 : 5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus. In His perfect manhood He took the
punishment for sin for all os us, humans.
As perfect God He has the power to forgive us all our sins.
> > They wouldn't make any changes public. They wouldn't want the
> > pari****oners to know in case it would diminish their dependence and
> > trust on the priests.
>
> Give up the conspiracy theory Gladys.
>
It is not a conspiracy theory. I am searching for answers.
> > We are saved through faith not by any good deeds we
may do.
>
> So Idi Amin and Stalin may be in heaven?
>
Yes, that is possible, but it may not be probable.
In other word. I do not know if they did come to repentance and faith
in Jesus Christ.
> > Good deeds should follow.
> > They do not count towards Eternal Life.
> > They count towards the rewards when we reach heaven.
>
> There are different levels of reward in heaven? Like what? You get more
> virgins?
>
That is Islam. It is not the Christian faith taught by Jesus Christ. I
do not know what rewards God has for us in Eternity, but I believe
Eternity will a very wonderful experience.
You should know that from your reading of the Bible.
> > Early on the morning of Melbourne Cup Day, 1974, I woke out of sleep
> > in which I was about to write the names of good and bad teachers in
> > the two columns on the board.
> > A voice, I believe to have been God speaking to me, said,
> > "Pass this test and I will use you!"
> > What I had been wanting to do for the previous six years -
> > ie leave teaching and take up occupations - happened as I was placed
> > on Stress Leave.
>
> ****. I can understand why you were placed on stress leave.
I can assure you that Stress Leave did not come from that experience
Do the voices still speak to you.
There are times when I do have understandings I haven't known before
and find them confirmed either by events are from the writings of
others.
>
The Bible says, 1John 4 : 1 'Try the spirits whether they are of God
bacuse many false prophets are gone out into the world.'
> > That was all done as a non-denominational Christian
> > with a desire that all Christian leaders would come to an acceptance
> > of the basic concepts of the teachings of Jesus Christ and work
> > together on those teachings.
> > That was the first topic I posted on in this
> > newsgroup, if you would like to check my profile.
>
> You want all Christians to agree on basic principles. And to achieve
this
> you want the largest group of Christians, by a huge margin, to fall into
> line with the beliefs of your little cult.
>
Cults are belief systems and in that sense all religions and secular
belief systems are cults. Belief systems that are not one's own can be
denigrated as 'cults'.
In Austalia, Protestants as a group have a large numbers
of members than does the (Roman) Catholic Church (census statistics).
The Roman Catholic Church had an increase in member****p from the
selection of migrants with the larger/est families when Austalian
Government representatives went to Europe in the 1950's to encourge
migrants to come to Australia.
And also from the fact that priests encourage women to produce more
children.
When a Protestant marries a Roman Catholic there used to be (my
Anglican great grandmother when she married an was brought to bear on
her to have
the children christened as Roman Catholics.
I do not know if that is still the practise today.
The information on Abortion and the demands
to make it legal from about the mid 1970's
would have been preached against in RC Churches.
I don't know what was done in Protestant Churches at that time.
I was only recalling this week that that period in media publicity
ended about the time that a RC young pregnant woman om England
chose to not have chemotherapy to cure her cancer so that her child
would be born alive. The murders that occurred at Abortion clinics in
America were tragic events that happened during that time.
Pressure to have large families is still made as one caller to Talk
Back radio this week gave evidence
of the Phillippines that is experiencing problems with
over-population in a counrty that has a Roman Catholic majority
according to the speaker.
It should never be the policy to procreate to increase names on a
church roll. The policy should be to determine the needs within a
country's resources.
> And this comes from a person who defected from the RC church to another
> "because it was closer". *****
I didn't defect. How could I do that at the age of three years! But to
have a RC priest invite me to a mission
just over fifty years later was just too much, in the cir***stances.
(1932 - about 1985).
My father and mother never returned and, in fact, I was their
spiritual (Christian) counsellor when they were terminally-ill.
And when my room was filled with evil (1969) and I was aware of its
source I was able to pray the name of Jesus only through an extremely
terrifying night - I didn't need the services of a priest to perform
an exorcism as one clergyman told me I should have done.
I am not denigrating the role of those I now call 'professional
Christians' who have the in-depth training that the rest of us do not
have the time to acquire - for myself up to now as I use the Internet
carefully and prayerfully.
But they must not consider
themselves superior in any way
as we also should not consider ourselves superior.
However, I have come to realise the im****tance of thinking through the
differences that have occurred in the interpretation of doctrine
through the centuries.
That is a lesson I have learnt from some incorrect instruction that I
was given in my teacher training course (1946-1947) and some events
within the school system.
I am wiser now than I was then, but I do not accept that I know all
that I would like to know.
Again, I appreciate your postings to me, despite ***,
as I appreciate and pray for all in the newsgroups in which I have
participated. It has been a wonderful experience in my retirement
years.
I understand the basic concepts of the teachings of Jesus Christ as
the most wonderful that we have of all guidance and instruction in
this world, yet so simple that a child can understand and yes, so
profound that the 'professional' Christians can write whole libaries
of books on them.
Gladys Swager
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