Linda Lee wrote:
> On Aug 27, 8:01 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>LindaLeewrote:
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>>>On Aug 26, 8:31 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
>>><hasa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>LindaLeewrote:
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>>>>>On Aug 23, 9:20 pm, "Suzanne" <****l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>>>"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
messagenews:1187890715.445414.75570@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>Libertarius napisal(a):
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>>>>>>>>>>===>It is definitely not "wrong", just unknown and
>>>>>>>>>>unacceptable to fundamentalist bible wore****pers. -- L.
>>
>>>>>>>>===>One should spell "Holy Bible" with captals,
>>>>>>>>but "bible" is just a word.
>>
>>>>>>>>But Christians don't
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>>>>>>>>>wor****p the Bible, they wor****p the one that
>>>>>>>>>taught us to read and study God's word.
>>
>>>>>>>>===>By accepting the BIG LIE that it is "God's word",
>>>>>>>>you become a "bible wor****per".
>>>>>>>>By declaring it "inerrant", you become a "bible wor****per". -- L.
>>
>>>>>>>Nominal "Bible Wor****pers" perhaps,
>>>>>>>but most of them do not seem to know much about what their Bible
says
>>>>>>>concerning their ideologies.
>>
>>>>>>>as for me i have never stopped enjoying studying this "Bible" -- it
>>>>>>>reveals mountains of information.
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>>>>>>>None of it pointing to a 'deity' however.
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>>>>>>Since the Bible has a lot to say about God,
>>>>>>why would you say this last statement?
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>>>>>Because he's spiritually blind, Suzanne. Oh, I guess that was a
>>>>>rhetorical question, wasn't it?
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>>>>LOL, well in your world i suppose that is true ; i cannot see what you
>>>>wish for me to see in "The Bible".
>>
>>>>i suppose your God does not want me to see such things ?
>>
>>>The Hebrews do not want us to see such things because they have
>>>rejected the Messiah prophesied in their scriptures.
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>>===>No such prophecies exist.
>>Christ is the invention of Christians.
>
>
> Apparently you have little knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures or any
> of their apocryphal texts or of the Midrash.
>
>
>> If you would be
>>
>>
>>>objective, you certainly have the intelligence to see that their
>>>negation of prophecies of 'the Son' has serious flaws.
>>
>>===>If you had any intelligence, you would THINK,
>>rather than believe.
>
>
> Same back at you. My beliefs are based on reason, common sense, and
> personal experience. Your beliefs are based on skepticism, ignorance,
> and the words and thoughts of previous atheists.
>
>
>
>>>>so whose 'fault' is that ?
>>
>>>Paul's - not God's. Yeshua` incarnated and told us the truth i.e. that
>>>the Hebrew Scriptures had testified of HIM.
>>
>>===>FALSE!
>>"IESOUS" was invented by the Church and its scribes.
>>THEY are the ones who "told" those things.
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>
> Yeshua` was not 'invented' by anyone other than Himself.
>
>
>>>Then Paul comes along and
>>>obscures the truth. Of course, I see it as Satan working through the
>>>murderous Paul who opened himself up to satanic influence through his
>>>murderous behaviour.
>
>
>>>>i tried to see "The Bible" as a model of reality for many many years.
>
>
>>>>What do you recommend ?
>
>
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>>>I recommend 'Christianity' minus Paul's twist on it and minus Paul's
>>>influence on Luke/Acts.
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>
>>===>Ridiculous.
>>"Paul" was also invented by the Church, and "LUKE-ACTS" created to
>>justify his existence.
>>Christianity is what they decided "Paul" said. -- L.
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>
>
> Lib,
>
> I can guarantee you that Yeshua` is not a fabrication and that he is
> the *only* way, the truth, and eternal life.
===>Really? Guarantee?
You cannot even prove that such a person ever existed,
so what is your "guarantee" worth?
>
> Paul was certainly real and the satanically influenced enemy of the
> Saviour - Elohiym (God).
===>That is your fantasy.
There indeed was a man named SAUL, an enemy of the Jewish messianists.
The character of the pro-Roman "Paul" was invented to transform SAUL
into the founder of the Christos Cult.
And yes - Christianity is Paul's perversion
===>As in most things, you have it backward.
"Paul" is Christianity's "perversion" of the historical person of
SAULUS identified by Flavius Josephus.
You lack knowledge of the cultural & historical context of the
material compiled in the Bible.
> of the teachings of Messiah and scholars acknowledge that Paul helped
> Luke write the book of Acts.
===>What "scholars" are you talking about?
No person named "Luke" wrote those books.
(How else would Luke have known of Paul's
> alleged personal experiences, before and after he traveled with him,
> unless Paul told him? Paul's witnesses to his alleged conversion
> experience 'disappeared into thin air' when you'd think they'd have
> become his most loyal followers if he had been telling the truth about
> it.)
===>The author of LUKE simply INVENTED such "personal experiences"
by copying things from other books, as he and others invented "IESOUS"
(no YESHUA) by copying biographical details about Judas the Galilean,
his co-founder of the Zealot movement John the Immerser ("SADUC"), etc.
-- L.
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