"Libertarius" <Libertarius@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Suzanne wrote:
>> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>Suzanne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"althea" <althea@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>
>>>>>Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] napisal(a):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Libertarius skrev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Libertarius skrev:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>===>That is totally false.
>>>>>>>>>>NO ONE ever claimed that Isaiah was written by
>>>>>>>>>>any "contem****ary" or "more contem****ary" author.
>>>>>>>>>>You are totally misled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In fact there are THREE sections in that book:
>>>>>>>>>> SECTION 1: Proto-Isaiah (Chapters 1-39) oracles of
>>>>>>>>>> Jerusalem,
>>>>>>>>>>composed in the eight century BCE.
>>>>>>>>>> SECTION 2: Deutero-Isaiah (Chapters 40-55) words of a
sixth
>>>>>>>>>>century BCE writer who was LIVING IN EXILE IN BABYLON.
>>>>>>>>>> SECTION 3: Trito-Isaiah (Chapters 56-66) writings of
>>>>>>>>>>post-Exilic author(s), most likely disciples of the
>>>>>>>>>>Deutero-Isaiah, who
>>>>>>>>>>continued
>>>>>>>>>>his work after the return from exile, possibly even quoting some
>>>>>>>>>>of the
>>>>>>>>>>sayings of Deutero-Isaiah.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>ALL OF THESE were long finished and compiled into the collection
>>>>>>>>>>of the
>>>>>>>>>>TA****H long-long before the production of the DSS copies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>one interesting aspect is that the temple at Elephantine is LATER
>>>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>>>the events in yeshayahu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>===>And the wor****pers and their priests were STILL accepting
ANATH,
>>>>>>>>the FEMALE deity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She is also the Queen of Heaven about whose wor****p Jeremiah and
>>>>>>>>the people are arguing, and she is the one who also appears
>>>>>>>>disguised
>>>>>>>>as the goddess HOKHMA in the book of PROVERBS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some of the Nag Hammadi material refers to her as SOPHIA, but the
>>>>>>>>"main
>>>>>>>>stream" Christian propagandists simply did a *** change on Hokhma
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>used the statements about her as co-creator to refer to
"Christos".
>>>>>>>>-- L.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ah. in spite of my devotion to the sources this is an obvious
hole
>>>>>>>in my knowledge and evidences that perhaps i lacked the
intelligence
>>>>>>>to see the obvious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The "smoking gun" for such if you will .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The implications to my other findings would be profound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>well in lieu of your response i went and obtained [again] some
copies
>>>>>>of Philo's discourses and actually had a hell of a time discerning
the
>>>>>>essence of his writings.
>>>>>>i had read them years ago but when reading them afresh lo and behold
i
>>>>>>see another aspect which i did not understand years and years ago
when
>>>>>>i first "perused" them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>i now think Philo is much more im****tant [that is , a more
significant
>>>>>>component] to Christianity as a whole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>can you elaborate [would you please elaborate] before i comment ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>===>To the extent there is any "Judaism" in Christianity, it is
adaptad
>>>>
>>>>>from this Hellenistic variety. Philo, an Platonist philospher from
>>>>
>>>>>Alexandria who relied on the Septuagint, was attempting to
reinterpret
>>>>>Judaism to harmonize with Platonic philosophy. His atetements about
the
>>>>>"LOGOS" as a "second god", etc. became the foundation for the
>>>>>Christian idea of "Jesus" as the divine Christos.
>>>>>As the Wikipedia puts it:
>>>>>"Philo's works were enthusiastically received by the early
Christians,
>>>>>some of whom saw in him a cryptic Christian. His concept of the Logos
>>>>>as God's creative principle apparently influenced early
>>>>>Christology." -- L.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, you have been misled. There was no "idea"
>>>>about Jesus, there was Jesus and his teachings
>>>>and his events were recorded by people that
>>>>lived in his day.
>>>
>>>===>You are still keeping yourself in
>>>ignorance of the historical facts. -- L.
>>>
>>
>> I don't agree with your idea of the history of the
>> Bible. It is just plain wrong.
>
> ===>It is definitely not "wrong", just unknown and
> unacceptable to fundamentalist bible wore****pers. -- L.
>
To the reader that is reading this, Lib. is trying
to confer a label upon me so that he can sway
anyone from trusting anything that I am saying.
It is a favorite label to apply to someone that
believes the Bible: "a fundamentalist." Often
they will shorten it to the derrogatory "fundie."
If they are somewhat not sure that this term will
carry enough contempt, they will add that the
Christian is a "bible wor****pper," being sure to
spell bible with a little "b." But Christians don't
wor****p the Bible, they wor****p the one that
taught us to read and study God's word. So
reading and being strengthened by God's word,
and led by it, is not wor****pping the Bible, but
is really being led by the Lord who gave his word
to us in written form as a gift to us, to help us.
>
When Jesus prayed his prayer in the
Garden of Gethsemane, just before being
taken into a trial, he prayed that the Father
would sanctify the believer through God's word,
and that they would be sanctified by the testimony
of his followers that come after him. So when
a person reads what one of his followers has
written, which is what the books of the Bible are,
in fact, they still are not wor****pping a book, but
they are wor****pping the one who blesses his
words. Here are some verses from the Bible
that confirm this:
--
Isaiah 55:10-11 says:
10. "For as the rain cometh down, and the snow
from heaven, and returneth not thither, but
watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth
and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and
bread to the eater:
11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of
my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but
it shall accomplish that which I please, and it
shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."
>
Suzanne
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