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Maximizing the Piggy Bank: RESULTS

by Louis Nick III <sunburn@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 4, 2003 at 08:26 PM

--> Introduction & Abstract

You may recall from a year ago that I was conducting an experiment to 
maximize the savings of my piggy bank, and had calculated the value-
density of the 7 circulating US coins.  Please accept this re****t of the 
experiment's first trial completion.  The result suggests using coins of 
greater value-density in constant-volume collection vessels.

--> Background.

Here's a link to the original post, from 2002/09/11:
http://tinyurl.com/mav6
Message-ID: <MPG.17e9cfaa60251e4e989695%40news.seanet.com>

--> Method.

Vaguely proposed in that thread was the experiment which I have now 
completed: I would fill the piggy bank only with the three coins of 
common value-density, but with random pro****tions that match my pocket 
change, which will hopefully reflect the circulation of the coins 
themselves though I won't think too hard on that.  

--> Data.

Now it is very nearly 1 year later and as of 2003/08/31 I have filled to 
the brim my piggy bank with dimes and quarters primarily, and while I 
got wishy-washy[1] about half-dollars (the same value-density as dimes 
and quarters) -- much larger and presumably less stackable than dimes 
and quarters, and Sacagawea "golden" dollars -- which are quarter-sized 
but thicker, and much denser.

I was going to sort and count the coins myself, but then my employer, a 
non-profit, received as a donation a old 1980's sorting machine, a 
***mins Jetsort.  Here's a link to the modern equivalent model; ***mins 
is now ***mins-Allison, and the Jetsort interface has grown up quite a 
bit, but I prefer the Reagan-era buttons and 2-line LCD display to this 
modern version:
http://www.***minscurrency.com/sort_4000.htm

I'm not going to miss a chance to use a new gadget, even if it meant 
hauling 12.8 pounds (calculated weight) of coins to work (a 20-minute 
walk).  And the sorter only bags the coins (how often do you get to see 
actual bags of money with dollar signs on the side?), so after the very 
rapid count (less than 2 minutes) I walked home with 12.8 pounds of 
coins in 2 bags and a pocket, to be rolled.  Here's the count, absent 
coins omitted:

-->  Chart A: Coins Recovered from Sample Vessel

2*# pennies                 $  0.02
599 dimes                   $ 59.90
2* nickels                  $  0.10 
769 quarters                $192.25
4# Kennedy half-dollars	    $  2.00
4# Sacagawea dollars        $  4.00
                            -------
For a grand total of        $258.27

* The pennies and nickels I recall putting in there by mistake, but 
there wasn't a good way at the time to get them out, and it was only two 
coins.
# manually counted

--> Qualification of results and measurement of an independent data 
point.

As in the last post, I'm using the US Mint figures from
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/index.cfm?
action=coin_specifications
for thickness, diameter, and weight of the coins.  You may recall that 
this produced some discrepancies in the value-density of dimes, 
quarters, and Kennedies, because of the reeds or notches cut into the 
edges of those coins.  A poster from rec.collecting.coins informed us 
that the reason for this common value density is that when initially 
minted, they were given the volume of an equivalent amount of silver for 
their value, or something like that.

Here's what the Mint has to say on the topic of reeds:
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_mint/fun_facts/index.cfm?
action=fun_facts10

Back to the experimental data, we have it that the total volume used by 
coins in the piggy bank come to 837.9 ccs.  I filled the bank with 
measured amounts of water[2] (because it's easier than measuring water 
poured out of the bank), as prescribed in the previous thread.  I came 
up with 5 cups 11 tablespoons, which is 91 tablespoons, which in turn is 
1345.6 cubic centimeters according to Google Calculator.

--> Calculations:

So the experimental result for packing density is p=0.623: the coins 
used 62.3% of the available volume.  At this point I should remind the 
reader that our own Eb Oesch investigated the theoretical elements of 
ideal coin-packing in this thread from October of last year, which makes 
for brief and interesting reading, unlike my posts in either respect:
http://tinyurl.com/mav7
Message-ID: <903f6dfe.0210131441.3d65e5fb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

--> Chart B, The Value of Bank Volume Filled With Different Coins

Coin        Value/volume    Volume      Value      Value
               ($/cc)      used (cc)     Full       Packed
Penny           0.023        0.884       $30.46     $18.99
Nickel          0.073        1.378       $97.65     $60.87
Dime            0.294      203.724      $395.64    $246.63
Quarter         0.309      622.065      $415.86    $259.23
Half-Dollar     0.316        6.329      $425.24    $265.08
Dollar          0.907        4.412    $1,219.84    $760.40

--> Notes on Chart B:

Volume used is the amount of room in the bank taken by coins in the 
experiment.
Value Full is the value of a piggy-bank full of coin homogenate for each 
particular coin filling 100% of the measured volume set.  Value Packed 
is the same result if the homogenate fills only 62.3% of the volume.  
Round down to the coins increment for a number that makes sense.  
Obviously each coin will fill a different percentage of the ellipsoidal 
cavity in the piggy bank, so from left to right, the numbers get 
increasingly meaningless.

--> Some More Number Fudging.

Note that the experimental result of $258.25 comes in right where it's 
supposed to, just below the quarter value, and just a little above the 
average value (packed) of dimes-quarters-half-dollars, $256.83, as 
expected, since the dollar coins' concentrations of value outweigh the 
dilution of value due to the nickels.

--> Sample Handling.

It only took about an hour to roll the 1362 coins that made up 12 rolls 
of dimes (added one dime) and 19 rolls of quarters (7 remained).  The 
easy way is to make stacks of 25 dimes or 20 quarters, and then just 
make stacks of coins with the same height.  I watched David Byrne's 
movie "True Stories" while I did this.  Now I've just gotta haul those 
to the bank, or sell them to people who need them for laundry, phone 
calls, newspapers, flathead screwdrivers, shotgun ammunition, arcade 
games, etc.

--> Future Research.

I'm considering running another trial, as it's sure nice to find 
yourself in possession of a spare $250, just before gaming season.  
Homeworld 2, Half-Life 2, and Halo PC are all coming out in the next 
couple of months[3], and those'll be $50 a hit.  I'm almost inclined to 
try an all-quarters trial or an all-dimes trial, but dimes are less 
common in my pocket change, and I feel like a doofus (as I have twice 
already) bringing rolls of coins to the bank and asking for rolls of 
coins in return.  I don't even bother angling for the cute teller when 
that's all I've got for them to do.

I could probably use some money to register some of the software I use 
all of the time, for example the editor I'm using right this minute, 
Textpad.  (I know, I know, get a vim, get an emacs, get a life, I've 
heard it all.)

--> A Proposal.

Also, I'd like to note that SCIENCE! should look into finding more 
research op****tunities like this, which are composed and fueled by 
waste-money, pocket change, and therefore is not only self-funding, but 
actually produces real money from the dregs of currency known as small 
coins.

Your in Science,
-LAN3

[1] I put some in, I left some out, thereby further contaminating both 
this experiment and the less substantial one, which was "how long does 
it take to fill the bank with all of my coins" (which was why I would 
save my nickels and pennies and when possible exchange them for dimes 
and quarters)-- but I'd have to go through my bank records to find the 
other three times I'd filled my bank with the random assortments of 
coins.  Between 2002/09/11 and 2002/08/31, in addition to the above, I 
collected $5.56 in pennies, nickels, half-dollars and dollars.

[2] I regret that I did not have enough rice around to use a solid-
measure estimation technique that I thought of.  I'd like to be able to 
tell people, in Ranjit's words, that I "rice[d] my pig"

[3] Remember: Gamers Have Two Jobs. 
    http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-11-14
 




 2 Posts in Topic:
Maximizing the Piggy Bank: RESULTS
Louis Nick III <sunbur  2003-09-04 20:26:37 
Re: Maximizing the Piggy Bank: RESULTS
Dave Allured <dallured  2003-09-05 13:10:55 

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