Re: ATHEISM - A Side-Effect of Religious Stupidity

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 "SongBookz" <songbookz@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > SongBookz wrote:
> >>
> >> "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> >> news:Toydne4Y-oE8NLbVnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> SongBookz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Certainly it is, atheism believes no god caused the universe nor 
> >>>> determines its purpose.  To believe something is not is still
belief.
> >>>
> >>> Except, atheism does no such thing.  Atheism is simply, and I'll say
it 
> >>> again in hopes it'll sink in, lack of belief in deities.  Anything 
> >>> else --  anything at all -- is not part of atheism.  Atheists
themselves 
> >>> may subscribe to various other doctrines (humanism, zen, etc), but
it is 
> >>> a property of THEM, not a property of ATHEISM.
> >>>
> >>> Get it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, I get it - since as you say, atheism does not believe that no
god 
> >> caused the universe, then what remains is atheists believe that one
or 
> >> more god(s) caused the universe meaning atheists are really theists 
> >> rendering "atheism" moot.
> >
> > No.  I'll try once again...and only one more time:
> >
> > Atheism does not believe that god caused the universe.  Atheism does
not 
> > believe that no god caused the universe.  Atheism does not even
address 
> > the subject.  The only subject that atheism addresses is the "belief
in 
> > deities" and the lack thereof.
> >
> > If you want to discuss the origins of the universe, the origin of
life, or 
> > how the current lifeforms came to be, then you're going to go outside
the 
> > *V*E*R*Y* limited scope that "atheism" is.
> >
> > Do you understand?
> >
> 
> Of course not.  Atheism does not address gods, it only addresses deities
... 
> your semantics are self contrdictory.
> 
> Let me try to make it simple for you.
> 
> Dick believes a god created the universe.
> Jane believes that no god created the universe.
> Sally believes that one can't know if a god created the universe or not.
> 
> Sally, Dick and Jane all expressed a religious belief.


What about Jack, who says he neither knows nor cares how the universe 
was created, nor whether there are any gods, deities or whatevers? 

Is he equally expressing a religious belief?