SongBookz wrote:
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>> SongBookz wrote:
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>>>> SongBookz wrote:
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>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:04:15 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
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>>>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:32:57 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>> [snips]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:32:43 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism qualifies as religion under word's, "religion,"
>>>>>>>>>>> definition:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> universe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whoops, sorry, you dropped the ball there. The one key aspect
of
>>>>>>>>>> atheism is that it is precisely about *not* having a belief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice try, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A-theism" is not equal to "a-religion."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's equal to "a theism", the lack of belief in deities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is *exactly* as I said. It is precisely about *not* having
a
>>>>>>>> belief, in contradiction to your assertion that, I quote, "A set
of
>>>>>>>> **beliefs**..." [emphasis added]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A-theism" refers only to "without theism (or deity," a
>>>>>>> synonym).. it
>>>>>>> does not refer to religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us try this again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theism means the presence of a belief.
>>>>>> Atheism means the absence of that belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incorrect - "Theism" is from the Greek, "Theos" meaning "god."
>>>>
>>>> And the "-ism" ****tion is defined as:
>>>> a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some
group
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Ism is "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice"
>>>
>>> "Doctrine" is a synonym of "teaching." It is a doctrine (or
>>> teaching) of atheism that there is/are no god(s).
>>
>> Therefore, everything that is talked about is an -ism. Context,
>> people. Context.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "A-theism" equals "a-theos," or "without god."
>>>>
>>>> Actually, "a-theos-ism" or "without god belief"
>>>>
>>>
>>> No ... "a-theos-ism" or "doctrine of no god."
>>>
>>> Dictionary.com: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
>>> American Heritage Dictionary: 2. The doctrine that there is no God
>>> or gods.
>>> WorldNET: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God]
>>
>> Why did you neglect the definitions that said "disbelief in gods"?
>>
>
> Because both definitions are true, but the first definition in 2 of the
> 3 sources were germaine.
>
Because you want it to be. Sorry, but the germaine one, when talking to
atheists, is the one we use. That is, the disbelief in gods.
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It says nothing about religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> A god is not a requirement for religion - religion is simply a set
>>>>> of beliefs concerning "the cause, nature, and purpose of the
>>>>> universe."
>>>>
>>>> Also incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause,
>>>> nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the
>>>> creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving
>>>> devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code
>>>> governing the conduct of human affairs."
>>>>
>>>
>>> "esp." is "especially" not "exclusively;" "usually" and "often," not
>>> "always."
>>
>> And atheism is not about the cause, nature, or purpose of the universe.
>
> Certainly it is. Inherent in atheism is the belief that no god caused
> the universe or determined it's purpose.
No. There is NOTHING inherent in atheism except for the lack of belief
in deities.
>
>> Therefore, not a religion.
>>
>
> Therefore it is.
Try not to say untrue things.
>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether you believe the universe was created by a god or several
>>>>> gods or whether you believe it was resulted from a Big Bang - you
>>>>> have the basic requirements of a religion. Which is one reason the
>>>>> court was correcting in classifying atheism as a religion.
>>>>
>>>> And you have just destroyed any definition of religious belief.
>>>> Atheism
>>>
>>> As to the definition of "religion," it is unharmed. That everyone
>>> has a heart does not destroy the word, "heart," lung, "lungs," or
>>> eyes, "eyes," and neither everyone having a religion destroy the
>>> word, "religion."
>>>
>>>> has no deity, no doctrine of beliefs, no sets of practices.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Atheism is founded on the doctrine "there are/is no gods." Some
>>> other doctrines commonly, but not necessarily universally, espoused
>>> by those who identify themselves as atheists are "evolution," Big
>>> Bang, natural selection.
>>
>> But those are not properties of atheism.
>>
>
> Except for the first, yes and no. The first is definitive, the
> remainder is commonly accept doctrine of atheists excluding Zen
> atheists, etc., of course.
You mean, commonly accepted doctrine of people that happen to be
atheists as well. It is not a property of atheism itself.
>
>>>
>>> Dictionary.com: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
>>
>> 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
>>
>>
>>> American Heritage Dictionary: 2. The doctrine that there is no God
>>> or gods.
>>
>> 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
>>
>>> WorldNET: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God
>>
>> 2. a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
>>
>>>
>>>> It is merely a lack of belief in deities.
>>>>
>>>> Just like tall people are not a religion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Logical fallacy, just because all tall people have a religion does
>>> not make tallness a religion unless tallness is "a set of beliefs
>>> concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe."
>>
>> And atheism is not a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and
>> purpose of the universe. Just like tallness.
>>
>
> Certainly it is, atheism believes no god caused the universe nor
> determines its purpose. To believe something is not is still belief.
Except, atheism does no such thing. Atheism is simply, and I'll say it
again in hopes it'll sink in, lack of belief in deities. Anything else
-- anything at all -- is not part of atheism. Atheists themselves may
subscribe to various other doctrines (humanism, zen, etc), but it is a
property of THEM, not a property of ATHEISM.
Get it?
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