Smiler wrote:
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>> SongBookz wrote:
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>>>> SongBookz wrote:
>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:04:15 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> news:jmapf5-vjp.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:32:57 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjarnason@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> news:mbdlf5-u05.ln1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>>> [snips]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10 May 2008 00:32:43 -0500, SongBookz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism qualifies as religion under word's, "religion,"
>>>>>>>>>>> definition:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose
of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> universe
>>>>>>>>>> Whoops, sorry, you dropped the ball there. The one key aspect
of
>>>>>>>>>> atheism is that it is precisely about *not* having a belief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice try, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A-theism" is not equal to "a-religion."
>>>>>>>> No, it's equal to "a theism", the lack of belief in deities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is *exactly* as I said. It is precisely about *not* having
a
>>>>>>>> belief, in contradiction to your assertion that, I quote, "A set
of
>>>>>>>> **beliefs**..." [emphasis added]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A-theism" refers only to "without theism (or deity," a synonym)..
it
>>>>>>> does not refer to religion.
>>>>>> Let us try this again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Theism means the presence of a belief.
>>>>>> Atheism means the absence of that belief.
>>>>> Incorrect - "Theism" is from the Greek, "Theos" meaning "god."
>>>> And the "-ism" ****tion is defined as:
>>>> a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some
group
>>>>
>>> "Ism is "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice"
>>>
>>> "Doctrine" is a synonym of "teaching." It is a doctrine (or teaching)
of
>>> atheism that there is/are no god(s).
>> Therefore, everything that is talked about is an -ism. Context,
people.
>> Context.
>>
>>>>> "A-theism" equals "a-theos," or "without god."
>>>> Actually, "a-theos-ism" or "without god belief"
>>>>
>>> No ... "a-theos-ism" or "doctrine of no god."
>>>
>>> Dictionary.com: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
>>> American Heritage Dictionary: 2. The doctrine that there is no God
or
>>> gods.
>>> WorldNET: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God]
>> Why did you neglect the definitions that said "disbelief in gods"?
>>
>>>>> It says nothing about religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> A god is not a requirement for religion - religion is simply a set
of
>>>>> beliefs concerning "the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe."
>>>> Also incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Religion is defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause,
nature,
>>>> and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of
a
>>>> superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and
ritual
>>>> observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct
of
>>>> human affairs."
>>>>
>>> "esp." is "especially" not "exclusively;" "usually" and "often," not
>>> "always."
>> And atheism is not about the cause, nature, or purpose of the universe.
>> Therefore, not a religion.
>>
>>>>> Whether you believe the universe was created by a god or several
gods
>>>>> or whether you believe it was resulted from a Big Bang - you have
the
>>>>> basic requirements of a religion. Which is one reason the court was
>>>>> correcting in classifying atheism as a religion.
>>>> And you have just destroyed any definition of religious belief.
Atheism
>>> As to the definition of "religion," it is unharmed. That everyone has
a
>>> heart does not destroy the word, "heart," lung, "lungs," or eyes,
>>> "eyes," and neither everyone having a religion destroy the word,
>>> "religion."
>>>
>>>> has no deity, no doctrine of beliefs, no sets of practices.
>>>>
>>> Atheism is founded on the doctrine "there are/is no gods." Some other
>>> doctrines commonly, but not necessarily universally, espoused by those
>>> who identify themselves as atheists are "evolution," Big Bang,
natural
>>> selection.
>> But those are not properties of atheism.
>>
>>> Dictionary.com: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
>> 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
>>
>>
>>> American Heritage Dictionary: 2. The doctrine that there is no God
or
>>> gods.
>> 1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
>>
>>> WorldNET: 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God
>> 2. a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
>>
>>>> It is merely a lack of belief in deities.
>>>>
>>>> Just like tall people are not a religion.
>>>>
>>> Logical fallacy, just because all tall people have a religion does not
>>> make tallness a religion unless tallness is "a set of beliefs
concerning
>>> the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe."
>> And atheism is not a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and
>> purpose of the universe. Just like tallness.
>>
>
> And *all* tall people do not have a religion.
> I'm sure there are some tall atheists.
Baby steps, Smiler. Don't want to give him too much too fast; his brain
might explode.
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