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> On May 2, 9:02 pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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> > > On May 2, 1:15=A0pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Cary Kittrell)
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> > > > > On May 1, 4:49=3DA0pm, Budikka666 <budik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > Grrl Scientist
atwww.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientisthttp://tinyurl.com/=
> > > 5la6=3D
> > > > > lh
> > > > > > re****ts on: "five male and five female Italian wall lizards,
Podarcis
> > > > > > sicula, were translocated from the islet of Pod Kopiste to the
nearby
> > > > > > islet of Pod Mrcaru, both of which belong to Croatia and are
located
> > > > > > in the southern Adriatic Sea"
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> > > > > > War erupted and scientists never got back to see the lizards
until
> > > > > > relatively recently. =3DA0What they found was an amazing
example of ju=
> > > st
> > > > > > how fast evolution can work its wiley ways.
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> > > > > > Footnote to idiot creationists: Yeah, they're still lizards,
and no,
> > > > > > no scientist has ever claimed they're not. =3DA0But what
you're too st=
> > > upid
> > > > > > to grasp no matter how many times you're hit over your stupid
heads
> > > > > > with it, evolution isn't just about speciation (which leads to
> > > > > > everything else) and nothing more. =3DA0Evolution is about
change with=
> > > in aas=3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > gene pool. =3DA0That's what it's rooted in and that's how it
works its=
> > > ion
> > > > > > magic.
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> > > > > > It really is that simple. =3DA0And if you cannot grasp this
basic,
> > > > > > demonstrated fact, then you too are really simple.
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> > > > > > Budikka
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> > > > > REPLY: =A0By what mechanism or evolutionary process does new
information=
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> > > > > become a part of the genome (which is needed for Darwinnian
Evolution
> > > > > to be viable) ?
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> > > > Overall? =A0Multiple copies of a coding gene, followed by mutation
of
> > > > one of the copies. =A0The organism now produces two different
> > > > proteins, the original and a new variant.
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> > > > In a given organism? =A0Acquisition of genes from other species,
> > > > most commonly via viruses.
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> > > > Not to metion that after a certain level of complexity is
> > > > reuiached, new information is no longer necessary. =A0It's
> > > > not new genes any longer, it's different switch settings
> > > > (sed "evo-devo");
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> > > > REPLY: That is quite remarkable indeed. Has any scientist(s)
calculated=
> > > the chances that new life forms came about by this mutated process ?
than=
> > > ks.
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> > By any single event of this type? I'm not sure.
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> > By ac***ulations of these changes? Well, that's what evolution
> > is all about.
>
> > Incidentally, I don't know if you'd consider this "new information" or
> > not, but I can think of an example where repeated copies of a single
gene
> > seem related to fitness: it's been found recently that humans
> > living in cultures which eat a lot of starch have more copies of
> > the gene which produces the starch-digesting enzyme amalyze.
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> > Multiple copies can be bad too, as in Huntington's chorea or
> > fragile-X syndrome.
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> REPLY: Well, lets see what staunch atheist / co-discoverer of the
> DNA structure , Dr. Francis Crick, has to say on the mathematical
> probability that life formed in this way by accident. (and before I
> do, just let me say : 'Case closed !' ....based on the worlds foremost
> leading Biologist ,and atheist at that) . So, could you tell us what
> your personal ulterior motive would be for rejecting God ?
> Thanks. :
>
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> Mathematical Probabilities
>
> The next stop would be to delve into the mathematical probabilities
> that vastly complex organs such as the brain, the eyes, etc., could
> have developed by themselves. But before we begin, I'd like you to be
> able to fathom what the numbers that we will be giving you represent.
> It has been estimated that in 30 billion years there would only be
> 1018 seconds. Scientists estimate that in our entire universe there
> are only 1080 electrons (that's a 1 with 80 zeros after it). So I
> guess we would agree that 10100 is a number that's pretty much
> impossible for us to truly comprehend. With this introduction,
> hopefully we'll be able to properly appreciate the upcoming
> quotations.
>
> Ilya Prigogine, chemist-physicist, recipient of two Nobel Prizes
inchemistry, wrote: "The
> statistical probability that organic structures
>
> and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living
> organisms would be generated by accident, is zero."(1) That's right -
> zero!
>
> Professor Francis Crick, awarded the Nobel Prize for the discovery of
>
> DNA, wrote:
>
> An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could
> only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the
> moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would
> have had to have been satisfied to get it going.(2)
>
> The trouble is that there are about two thousand enzymes, and the
> chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in
> (1020)2,000=1040,000, an outrageously small probability that could not
> be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup.(3)
>
> In terms of complexity, an individual cell is nothing when compared
> with a system like the mammalian brain. The human brain consists of
> about ten thousand million nerve cells. Each nerve cell puts out
> between ten thousand and one hundred thousand connecting fibers by
> which it makes contact with other nerve cells in the brain.
> Altogether the total number of connections in the human brain
> approaches 1015 or a thousand million million. Numbers in the order
> of 1015 are of course completely beyond comprehension. Imagine an
> area about half the size of the USA (one million square miles) covered
> in a forest of trees containing ten thousand trees per square mile.
> If each tree contained one hundred thousand leaves the total number of
> leaves in the forest would be 1015, equivalent to the number of
> connections in the human brain! Despite the enormity of the number of
> connections, the ramifying forest of fibers is not a chaotic random
> tangle but a highly organized network in which a high pro****tion of
> the fibers are unique adaptive communication channels following their
> own specially ordained pathway through the brain. Even if only one
> hundredth of the connections in the brain were specifically organized,
> this would still represent a system containing a much greater number
> of specific connections than in the entire communications network on
> Earth.(4)- Hide quoted text -
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P.S. The number above, which is what atheists rest thier FAITH on ,
thereby eliminating the need for God....is 10 to the 40,000 th
power. Just wanted to make this number clear to all. (Are you
certain you dont have a personal ulterior motive for not wanting God
to be real ???).
--forget ulterior motives, who cares what they think. How about
plain old denial?
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