On May 3, 9:50 am, "IlBeBa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 3, 10:21 am, Ken <flakey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 3, 6:10 am, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Sat, 3 May 2008 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT), in alt.talk.creationism
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> > > >On May 2, 9:02 pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> In article
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> > > >> > On May 2, 1:15=A0pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> > > In article
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> > > >> > > > On May 1, 4:49=3DA0pm, Budikka666 <budik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >> > > > > Grrl Scientist
atwww.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientisthttp://tinyurl.com/=
> > > >> > 5la6=3D
> > > >> > > > lh
> > > >> > > > > re****ts on: "five male and five female Italian wall
lizards, Podarcis
> > > >> > > > > sicula, were translocated from the islet of Pod Kopiste
to the nearby
> > > >> > > > > islet of Pod Mrcaru, both of which belong to Croatia and
are located
> > > >> > > > > in the southern Adriatic Sea"
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> > > >> > > > > War erupted and scientists never got back to see the
lizards until
> > > >> > > > > relatively recently. =3DA0What they found was an amazing
example of ju=
> > > >> > st
> > > >> > > > > how fast evolution can work its wiley ways.
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> > > >> > > > > Footnote to idiot creationists: Yeah, they're still
lizards, and no,
> > > >> > > > > no scientist has ever claimed they're not. =3DA0But what
you're too st=
> > > >> > upid
> > > >> > > > > to grasp no matter how many times you're hit over your
stupid heads
> > > >> > > > > with it, evolution isn't just about speciation (which
leads to
> > > >> > > > > everything else) and nothing more. =3DA0Evolution is
about change with=
> > > >> > in aas=3D
> > > >> > > > e
> > > >> > > > > gene pool. =3DA0That's what it's rooted in and that's how
it works its=
> > > >> > ion
> > > >> > > > > magic.
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> > > >> > > > > It really is that simple. =3DA0And if you cannot grasp
this basic,
> > > >> > > > > demonstrated fact, then you too are really simple.
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> > > >> > > > > Budikka
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> > > >> > > > REPLY: =A0By what mechanism or evolutionary process does
new information=
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> > > >> > > > become a part of the genome (which is needed for Darwinnian
Evolution
> > > >> > > > to be viable) ?
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> > > >> > > Overall? =A0Multiple copies of a coding gene, followed by
mutation of
> > > >> > > one of the copies. =A0The organism now produces two different
> > > >> > > proteins, the original and a new variant.
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> > > >> > > In a given organism? =A0Acquisition of genes from other
species,
> > > >> > > most commonly via viruses.
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> > > >> > > Not to metion that after a certain level of complexity is
> > > >> > > reuiached, new information is no longer necessary. =A0It's
> > > >> > > not new genes any longer, it's different switch settings
> > > >> > > (sed "evo-devo");
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> > > >> > > REPLY: That is quite remarkable indeed. Has any
scientist(s) calculated=
> > > >> > the chances that new life forms came about by this mutated
process ? than=
> > > >> > ks.
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> > > >> By any single event of this type? I'm not sure.
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> > > >> By ac***ulations of these changes? Well, that's what evolution
> > > >> is all about.
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> > > >> Incidentally, I don't know if you'd consider this "new
information" or
> > > >> not, but I can think of an example where repeated copies of a
single gene
> > > >> seem related to fitness: it's been found recently that humans
> > > >> living in cultures which eat a lot of starch have more copies of
> > > >> the gene which produces the starch-digesting enzyme amalyze.
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> > > >> Multiple copies can be bad too, as in Huntington's chorea or
> > > >> fragile-X syndrome.
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> > > >> -- cary- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >REPLY: Well, lets see what staunch atheist / co-discoverer of the
> > > >DNA structure , Dr. Francis Crick, has to say on the mathematical
> > > >probability that life formed in this way by accident. (and before I
> > > >do, just let me say : 'Case closed !' ....based on the worlds
foremost
> > > >leading Biologist ,and atheist at that) . So, could you tell us
what
> > > >your personal ulterior motive would be for rejecting God ?
> > > >Thanks. :
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> > > Thank you for demonstrating that you do not understand anything
about
> > > science and don't care that you have quotes that are misleading
without
> > > context. You have once again demonstrated your moral corruption and
> > > commitment to fight truth wherever you find it.
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> > > [quotes deleted because they are not properly attributed and are
> > > generally taken out of context, more evidence of the dishonesty of
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> > Note: Many, if not most of Dimwit Dave's replies, have
> > nothing to do with the original subject
> > Even after someone has made a
> > deh ptailed and carefully crafted challenge complete with references
to
> > one of his posts, there's usually no reply, or if he does, he makes a
> > few comments followed by "Regards, and...End." so he gets in the last
> > word
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> > He almost never answers a direct question, but instead goes
> > off on some tangent or leading question about Dog, ***, or religion
> > completely unrelated to the original subject with the intent to gain
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> REPLY: At a 10 to the 40,000 th power against you ... you are
> certainly going to have a VERY sticky end in eternity from pretending
> there is no personal Creator (so you can live as you like for a few
> short years left on earth) . And all the smokescreen defaming,
> wi****ng, hoping, etc... that Christians are wrong, simply isnt going
> to change matters in the least for you . Put your pride aside and
> abandon atheism before eternity starts for yourself. Youll never ever
> regret it if you can and WANT TO.- Hide quoted text -
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I raise you to 10 to ∞(See I can pull numbers out my ass just as
well
as you can) that no god has ever or will ever exist..and, unlike you,
I don't need to pretend that invisible sky fairies exist.
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