On May 3, 10:21=A0am, Ken <flakey...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 3, 6:10=A0am, Free Lunch <lu...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 06:01:43 -0700 (PDT), in alt.talk.creationism
> > "IlBeBa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >On May 2, 9:02=A0pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> In article
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> > >> > On May 2, 1:15=3DA0pm, c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > > In article
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> > >> > > > On May 1, 4:49=3D3DA0pm, Budikka666 <budik...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > > > > Grrl Scientist
atwww.scienceblogs.com/grrlscientisthttp://tin=
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> > >> > 5la6=3D3D
> > >> > > > lh
> > >> > > > > re****ts on: "five male and five female Italian wall
lizards, =
Podarcis
> > >> > > > > sicula, were translocated from the islet of Pod Kopiste to
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e nearby
> > >> > > > > islet of Pod Mrcaru, both of which belong to Croatia and
are =
located
> > >> > > > > in the southern Adriatic Sea"
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> > >> > > > > War erupted and scientists never got back to see the
lizards =
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> > >> > > > > relatively recently. =3D3DA0What they found was an amazing
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> > >> > > > > how fast evolution can work its wiley ways.
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> > >> > > > > Footnote to idiot creationists: Yeah, they're still
lizards, =
and no,
> > >> > > > > no scientist has ever claimed they're not. =3D3DA0But what
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u're too st=3D
> > >> > upid
> > >> > > > > to grasp no matter how many times you're hit over your
stupid=
heads
> > >> > > > > with it, evolution isn't just about speciation (which leads
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o
> > >> > > > > everything else) and nothing more. =3D3DA0Evolution is
about =
change with=3D
> > >> > in aas=3D3D
> > >> > > > e
> > >> > > > > gene pool. =3D3DA0That's what it's rooted in and that's how
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t works its=3D
> > >> > ion
> > >> > > > > magic.
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> > >> > > > > It really is that simple. =3D3DA0And if you cannot grasp
this=
basic,
> > >> > > > > demonstrated fact, then you too are really simple.
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> > >> > > > > Budikka
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> > >> > > > REPLY: =3DA0By what mechanism or evolutionary process does
new =
information=3D
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> > >> > > > become a part of the genome (which is needed for Darwinnian
Evo=
lution
> > >> > > > to be viable) ?
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> > >> > > Overall? =3DA0Multiple copies of a coding gene, followed by
mutat=
ion of
> > >> > > one of the copies. =3DA0The organism now produces two different
> > >> > > proteins, the original and a new variant.
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> > >> > > In a given organism? =3DA0Acquisition of genes from other
species=
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> > >> > > most commonly via viruses.
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> > >> > > Not to metion that after a certain level of complexity is
> > >> > > reuiached, new information is no longer necessary. =3DA0It's
> > >> > > not new genes any longer, it's different switch settings
> > >> > > (sed "evo-devo");
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> > >> > > REPLY: =A0That is quite remarkable indeed. =A0Has any
scientist(s=
) =A0calculated=3D
> > >> > =A0the chances that new life forms came about by this mutated
proce=
ss ? =A0 than=3D
> > >> > ks.
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> > >> By any single event of this type? =A0I'm not sure.
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> > >> By ac***ulations of these changes? =A0Well, that's what evolution
> > >> is all about.
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> > >> Incidentally, I don't know if you'd consider this "new information"
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r
> > >> not, but I can think of an example where repeated copies of a
single =
gene
> > >> seem related to fitness: =A0it's been found recently that humans
> > >> living in cultures which eat a lot of starch have more copies of
> > >> the gene which produces the starch-digesting enzyme amalyze.
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> > >> Multiple copies can be bad too, as in Huntington's chorea or
> > >> fragile-X syndrome.
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> > >> -- cary- Hide quoted text -
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> > >REPLY: =A0 Well, lets see what staunch atheist / co-discoverer of the
> > >DNA structure , Dr. Francis Crick, has to say on the mathematical
> > >probability that life formed in this way by accident. (and before I
> > >do, just let me say : 'Case closed !' ....based on the worlds
foremost
> > >leading Biologist =A0,and atheist at that) . =A0So, could you tell us
w=
hat
> > >your personal ulterior motive would be for rejecting God ?
> > >Thanks. =A0 :
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> > Thank you for demonstrating that you do not understand anything about
> > science and don't care that you have quotes that are misleading
without
> > context. You have once again demonstrated your moral corruption and
> > commitment to fight truth wherever you find it.
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> > [quotes deleted because they are not properly attributed and are
> > generally taken out of context, more evidence of the dishonesty of
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> Note: Many, if not most of Dimwit Dave's replies, have
> nothing to do with the original subject
> Even after someone has made a
> deh ptailed and carefully crafted challenge complete with references to
> one of his posts, there's usually no reply, or if he does, he makes a
> few comments followed by "Regards, and...End." so he gets in the last
> word
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> He almost never answers a direct question, but instead goes
> off on some tangent or leading question about Dog, ***, or religion
> completely unrelated to the original subject with the intent to gain
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REPLY: At a 10 to the 40,000 th power against you ... you are
certainly going to have a VERY sticky end in eternity from pretending
there is no personal Creator (so you can live as you like for a few
short years left on earth) . And all the smokescreen defaming,
wi****ng, hoping, etc... that Christians are wrong, simply isnt going
to change matters in the least for you . Put your pride aside and
abandon atheism before eternity starts for yourself. Youll never ever
regret it if you can and WANT TO.
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