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Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE

by "Frank Arthur" <Art@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 2, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Many Muslims consider Christians are the enemy.
Osama bin laden & his sup****ters want to see Christianity destroyed!

"ARAH" <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:143a4cf8-a82b-4565-9961-bc8b7e658a6a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Jesus): According to the Quran

Islam is the only religion in the world today that truthfully and
completely accepts Isa (Jesus) as one of the great Prophets of God
without any doubts. According to the modern researchers and writers
Muslim views about Jesus are clearer and more realistic than those of
many modern day Christians. Particularly the miraculous virgin birth
of Jesus (peace be upon him). No one can become a Muslim without firm
belief in Jesus being a prophet of God, born to virgin Maryam (Mary).
Muslims take guidance about Jesus from the Holy Qur'an, revealed to
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

These are the Signs (revelations) from Allah, (which) We recite to you
(O Muhammad) with all truth. [Chapter 2:252]

Those Messengers! We preferred some to others. To some of them Allah
spoke directly and some of them He raised in degrees of honour. And to
Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), We gave manifest Signs, and
strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (the angel Gabriel). And if
Allah had so willed, those succeeding (generations) would not have
fought each other after clear Signs (revelations) had come to them.
But they (chose to) differ; some of them believing, and others
disbelieving. And if Allah had so willed, they would not have fought
each other; but Allah does what He desires. [Chapter 2:253]

And (Allah sets forth the example of) Maryam (Mary), the daughter of
Imran who guarded her chastity - so We breathed Our Spirit (through
angel Gabriel) into her (womb) - and she fulfilled (the prophecy
conveyed to her in) the words of her Lord contained in His Revelations
and she was one of the devoutly obedient (to Allah). [Chapter 66:12]

And (also mention) the woman (Maryam) who guarded her chastity, so We
breathed into her (womb) of Our Spirit (through angel Gabriel) and
(We) made her and her son (Isa) a Sign for the worlds. [Chapter 21:91]

Relate (as mentioned) in the Book the account of Maryam (Virgin Mary),
how (when) she withdrew from her family to a place towards the east.
And screened herself off from them. Then We sent Our angel (Gabriel)
to her and he appeared to her in the form of a full-grown man. She
said: “Indeed I seek refuge with the Most Merciful (Allah) from you
(come not near me and leave) if you do fear Him.” The angel said, “I
am (only) an emissary of your Lord, (sent) to give you (glad tidings
of) a holy son.” She said, “How can I bear a child when no man has
touched me, neither I have (ever) been unchaste?” The angel said:
“Thus (it will be); says your Lord: ‘That is easy enough for Me; and
We will make him a Sign to mankind, and a mercy from Us, and it is a
matter (already) decreed’.” [Chapter 19:16-21]

So she conceived him, and withdrew with him to a remote place. And the
throes of childbirth led her to the trunk of a date-palm tree. She
cried (in her anguish): “Ah, I wish I had died before this, had passed
into oblivion, and become a thing quite forgotten!” [Chapter 19:22-23]

But a voice called to her, from below (the date-palm tree), saying:
“Do not grieve; indeed your Lord has provided a rivulet right beneath
you. And (if you) shake the trunk of the date-palm tree; it will drop
fresh ripe dates in your lap. So, eat and drink and cool your eyes
(i.e. rejoice). And if you meet any mortal, say: ‘I have vowed a fast
to (God) the Most Merciful; therefore, will not speak this day to any
human being’.” [Chapter 19:24-26]

Jesus was not God --------------------------- God Is All Knowing - But
Jesus Was Not

When speaking of the Day of Judgement, Jesus clearly gave evidence of
a limitation on his knowledge when he said:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are
in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt.
24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations.
That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of
Judgement would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing and
that Jesus is therefore cannot God.

God Is All-Powerful - But Jesus Was Not While Jesus performed many
miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own
but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father
do..." (John 5:19). Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing:
as I hear I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not mine
own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)
But God is not only All-Powerful, He is also the source of all power
and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on
his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that
therefore Jesus is not God. 3. God Does Not Have A God.....But Jesus
Did Have A God God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He
does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that
there was One whom he wor****pped and to Whom he prayed when he said,
"I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your
God." (John 20:17). He is also re****ted to have cried out while on the
cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46). If
Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself, why hast
thou forsaken me?". Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed
the Lord's Prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in
the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible,
let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will but as thou
wilt." (Matt. 26:36). Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his
own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, wor****pped, and
prayed to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is
not God. According to the Bible, God is an invisible spirit.... 4. But
Jesus Was Flesh And Blood While thousands saw Jesus and heard his
voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he
said: "No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18). "Ye have
neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37)
He also said in John 4:24: "God is a spirit and they that wor****p Him
must wor****p Him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no
one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw
and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God. NO ONE IS
GREATER THAN GOD AND NO ONE CAN DIRECT HIM... BUT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED
SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIMSELF WHOSE... 5. Will Was Distinct From His
Own Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, comes again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28: "My Father is greater than
I." When someone referred to him as a good master in Luke 18:19, Jesus
responded: "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is
God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and
God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I
of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of
his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he
said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but Thine be done" and in John 5:30,
"I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent
me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his
own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge
another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his
own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear
proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not
God. Conclusion The Church recognises the Bible as the primary source
of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear
that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not
Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise? The belief
that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely
inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is
one, not three. He is a perfect unity. If you are interested in the
truth about God and your relation****p to Him, we invite you to
investigate the religion of Islam. What Is The Word Of God About
Jesus: The Son****p Of Jesus: Muslim do not believe in the Son****p of
Jesus.

“Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about
which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of)
Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines
a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is.” Chapter 19, Verses 34-35
“They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have
put forth a thing most monstrous! At if the skies are ready to burst
the earth to split asunder and the mountains to fall down in utter
ruin. That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. For it
is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He
should beget a son. Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth
but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.” Chapter 19,
Verses 88-93 “This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of
Adam: He created him from dust then said to him: "Be" and he was.”
Chapter 3, Verse 59 “O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your
religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He
bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah
and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for
you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He)
above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on
earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” Chapter 4, Verse
171 B. Regarding Jesus Being God: “And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus
the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men `wor****p me and my mother as
gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could
I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou
wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though
I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is
hidden. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me
to say to wit `Wor****p Allah my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a
witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me
up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all
things.” Chapter 5, Verses 116-117 C. Regarding Crucifixion Of Jesus
“That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave
false charge. That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the
son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor
crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who
differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only
conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay Allah
raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise. And
there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before
his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against
them.” Chapter 4, Verses 156-159 All Quranic quotations have been
taken from the Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation of “The Meaning of the
Holy Qur’an”, published by Amana Cor****ation, Brentwood, Maryland,
USA, 1993 All Biblical quotations have been taken from The Holy Bible
(Authorised King James Version), Riverside Book & Bible House, Iowa
Falls, IA50126, published by World Bible Publishers, Inc.
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On May 2, 3:23 pm, use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Dutch filmmaker claims Jesus a child of rape
>
> By Ab Zagt
> REUTERS
> The Hollywood Re****ter
> Wednesday, April 23, 2008
>
> Amsterdam (Hollywood Re****ter) - "Basic Instinct" director
> Paul Verhoeven will publish a revisionist biography of
> Jesus in September, following more than 20 years of
> research.
>
> [Caption]  Dutch director Paul Verhoeven seen in this
>  file photo in Los Angeles. Verhoeven will publish a
>  revisionist biography of Jesus in September, following
>  more than 20 years of research.  (File/FSP/Reuters)
>
> The Dutch filmmaker, who has had a lifelong ambition to
> make a film about Jesus based on scientific research,
> claims that Jesus' father was probably a Roman soldier who
> raped Mary during the Jewish uprising in Galilee. He also
> claims that Christ was not betrayed by Judas Iscariot.
>
> Verhoeven decided to write the book to raise interest in
> his film project. His publisher, Amsterdam-based
> Meulenhoff, is in negotiations for an English-language
> translation.
>
> Verhoeven, who turns 70 in July, has been a regular
> attendee of U.S. scholar Robert W. Funk's Jesus seminars,
> which question miracles and statements attributed to Jesus.
>
> Reuters/Hollywood Re****ter
>
> More 
>
at:http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/en_nm/verhoeven_dc;_ylt=ApbMtvepk..
>
> Jai 
>
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usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-02 07:23:25 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
ARAH <arah1958@[EMAIL   2008-05-02 01:10:21 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
"Frank Arthur"   2008-05-02 10:30:27 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
"M. Ranjit Mathews&q  2008-05-02 08:32:59 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
fanabba <fanabba@[EMAI  2008-05-02 15:23:02 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
fanabba <fanabba@[EMAI  2008-05-02 15:24:41 
Re: DUTCH FILMMAKER CLAIMS JESUS A CHILD OF RAPE
uNmaiviLambi <tripuran  2008-05-02 17:15:12 
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"ranjit_mathews@[EMA  2008-05-03 13:47:52 
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"ranjit_mathews@[EMA  2008-05-03 13:45:52 
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Wanderer <not@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 03:55:48 
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