On Fri, 02 May 2008 22:42:32 GMT, Antares 531
<gordonlrDELETE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:55:27 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
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>>Antares 531 wrote:
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>> > Bill M wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have asked numerous times for someone to provide any
>> >> objective verifiable evidence that any gods actually exist.
>> >>
>> >> No one has ever supplied it. Not even any god.
>> >>
>> >> the logical conclusion is that no real gods exist except in
>> >> peoples over active imaginations.
>> >
>> > And, just how would you cope with it if someone did provide
>> > you with such empirical proof? You would no longer have any
>> > sovereign choice as to believing in or not believing in God. You
>> > would be overwhelmed and thus compelled to do God's will. You
>> > would no longer be anything more than a mere puppet of
>> > God's. And, being a puppet isn't what God wants you or any of us
>> > to develop into.
>>
>>Let's turn that around for a moment. How would *you* cope if
>>somebody provided you with irrefutable proof that none of your
>>gods could possibly exist?
>>
>I don't really know how I would cope if it were possible for someone
>to "prove" to me that God does not exist.
You don't have to worry. You believe in something that is utterly
without any rational or logical foundation and completely unsup****ted by
any evidence. You will never allow anyone to prove to you that God does
not exist. No one will ever persuade you that you are delusional.
>>If you'd like to find out, then all you have to do is tell me
>>what, exactly, your gods are. Define them, if you will.
>>
>>``My god, <insert name here>, is nothing if she / he / it isn't
>><insert essential property here>.''
>>
>>Common answers for the first include, ``YHWH,'' ``Jesus,''
>>``Allah,'' and the like; for the second, it's usually
>>``omnipotent,'' ``omnibenevolent,'' ``the creator of Life, the
>>Universe, and Everything,'' and so on.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>b&
>>
>I don't think it would be possible for me or for anyone else, for that
>matter, to explain this to you as long as your mind-set is totally
>against it.
That's your excuse. You believe something that is without evidence and
get mad at others for pointing your failings out to you.
>You remind me of the allegory involving a group of sentient
>computers...
>
>A bunch of sentient computers were discussing the Internet and those
>computers that had never had a working Internet connection were
>arguing that the Internet did not actually exist but was just a
>figment of the imaginations of those computers who were arguing that
>it DID exist.
>
>The gist of this allegory is that the doubting computers could connect
>to the Internet if they would do so volitionally, but they can not be
>coerced or forced to make the connection. As long at they adamantly
>reject the whole idea it is very unlikely that any of them will
>"volitionally" connect themselves with the Internet and experience it
>first hand. So, they will live out their lives, then be tucked away in
>the landfill, still doubting that the Internet exists. But, their
>doubting it does not make their position true.
Your story reflects your foolishness.
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