On Fri, 02 May 2008 07:55:27 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>Antares 531 wrote:
>
> > Bill M wrote:
> >
> >> I have asked numerous times for someone to provide any
> >> objective verifiable evidence that any gods actually exist.
> >>
> >> No one has ever supplied it. Not even any god.
> >>
> >> the logical conclusion is that no real gods exist except in
> >> peoples over active imaginations.
> >
> > And, just how would you cope with it if someone did provide
> > you with such empirical proof? You would no longer have any
> > sovereign choice as to believing in or not believing in God. You
> > would be overwhelmed and thus compelled to do God's will. You
> > would no longer be anything more than a mere puppet of
> > God's. And, being a puppet isn't what God wants you or any of us
> > to develop into.
>
>Let's turn that around for a moment. How would *you* cope if
>somebody provided you with irrefutable proof that none of your
>gods could possibly exist?
>
I don't really know how I would cope if it were possible for someone
to "prove" to me that God does not exist.
>
>If you'd like to find out, then all you have to do is tell me
>what, exactly, your gods are. Define them, if you will.
>
>``My god, <insert name here>, is nothing if she / he / it isn't
><insert essential property here>.''
>
>Common answers for the first include, ``YHWH,'' ``Jesus,''
>``Allah,'' and the like; for the second, it's usually
>``omnipotent,'' ``omnibenevolent,'' ``the creator of Life, the
>Universe, and Everything,'' and so on.
>
>Cheers,
>
>b&
>
I don't think it would be possible for me or for anyone else, for that
matter, to explain this to you as long as your mind-set is totally
against it.
You remind me of the allegory involving a group of sentient
computers...
A bunch of sentient computers were discussing the Internet and those
computers that had never had a working Internet connection were
arguing that the Internet did not actually exist but was just a
figment of the imaginations of those computers who were arguing that
it DID exist.
The gist of this allegory is that the doubting computers could connect
to the Internet if they would do so volitionally, but they can not be
coerced or forced to make the connection. As long at they adamantly
reject the whole idea it is very unlikely that any of them will
"volitionally" connect themselves with the Internet and experience it
first hand. So, they will live out their lives, then be tucked away in
the landfill, still doubting that the Internet exists. But, their
doubting it does not make their position true.
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