On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:51:07 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> The first step is to do an open-minded, unbiased, sincere search for
a
>>>> "subliminal connection" to God. If a person refuses to do this, there
>>>> is no way for that person to ever KNOW that God does or does not
>>>> exist. Antares 531
>>>
>>> With these guys you may need to specify which God you mean. Our
>>>Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus
>>>Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
>>>therefore
>>>know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord and
Saviour.
>>>(Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations
of
>>>love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be, such as we
see
>>>in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
>>
>> This seems quite true, but I was hoping some would indulge in a bit of
>> open discussion and perhaps re-examine their mindset.
>> The bottom line is, there are no conflicts between science and the
>> Bible. The imagined conflicts are the result of incomplete
>> understanding, and that can be on either side of the line. Many
>> scientists don't have even a vague understanding of the Bible and many
>> clergy have little or no understanding of science.
>> It simply would not have been workable for God to have given us the
>> scriptures in a modern scientific vernacular. Those ancient people
>> would not have been able to understand the information at all had it
>> been given as a physics seminar presentation. They would have turned
>> away from it all and we would not have any recorded information to
>> use, today.
>> But, we do have the ability to read and translate those ancient
>> writings into our current language format, and fit the information
>> into our vastly expanding understanding of the natural laws of the
>> multiverse.
>>
> First of all, it not just "seems true" but it IS true, for the Jesus
of
>the NT Bible says so. There is no connection between science and
religion,
>as little as there is between the flesh and the Spirit. That's why Jesus
>said in Jn:3:6: That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which
is
>born of the Spirit is spirit.
>
You are talking about an entirely different thing, here. I agree flesh
is flesh and spirit is spirit, but they both are the undeniable
results of God's laws of the universe/multiverse, and God's laws of
the universe/multiverse are also the basis of our science and
cosmology understanding.
God created the heavens and the earth using the same natural laws that
we study in modern science. But God didn't talk 21 century
physics/cosmology vernacular to those to whom he gave the scriptural
information. He talked to them in the vernacular that they and their
people understood.
>
> Note it's not half and half`etc. but either or. For one is created
and
>the other uncreated. So "natural laws" have no bearing upon religion. For
>religion deals with QUALITY and nothing but QUALITY, all else being mere
>vehicles to illustrate QUALITY, for our God is the supreme quality of
>perfection and who lives in the praises of His people. Perfection is not
>subject to natural law.
>
This set of ideas and the attitude associated with these ideas
presents a very serious problem, today. This is the reason so many of
our young people are turning their backs on the Bible.
God DID NOT create all the natural laws of the universe/multiverse,
then skip around them to do his works by means that didn't involve the
use of the natural laws He had created.
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