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Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS.

by Uncle Vic <address@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 3, 2008 at 03:54 AM

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Malcolm McLean" <regniztar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote: 

> 
> "Uncle Vic" <address@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9A54DA7AED6FCvicman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Malcolm McLean"
>> <regniztar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>> The truth is that a lot of atheist arguments boil down to what I
>>> call the "writing on the Moon" argument. If God exists, surely He'd
>>> make it completely untenable to hold the position that He doesn't
>>> exist. To an extent that's a legitimate argument, but a riposte can
>>> be "if there was no God surely we'd have made belief in Him totally
>>> untenable by now".
>>
>> Unfortunately, the believers have fool-proofed the arguments by
>>
>> 1. Making it a mortal sin to question your beliefs.
>> 2. Prescribing a punishment for disbelief so unfoundedly horrible
>> that no one would dare lose the faith.
>> 3. Making examples of heretics and unbelievers by puni****ng them 
>> publically
>> and horribly. (Of course, they cannot do this legally any more.)
>> 4. Early childhood brainwa****ng.
>> 5. Blocking the teaching of the sciences which plant seeds of doubt
>> by contradicting religious teaching, then supplying undeniable
>> evidence to sup****t it.
>> 6. Rationalizing (ie changing) the dogma itself to conform to that
>> which we
>> know about reality wich contradicts the old dogma.
>>
>> It's not working, though.  Educated people are leaving the church in
>> droves.  Some day there will be a world (less the Middle East) free
>> of the shackles of religion.  Not in my lifetime, sadly...
>>
> Either the arguments are fool-proofed or educated people are leaving
> in droves. Take your pick.

They are not mutually exclusive.

> 
> In fact the intellectually tenable religion, liberal Christianity, is
> losing people in droves. This is because it has been artificially
> welded to secular ethics in ***uality and other areas. A church that
> ordains practising homo***uals isn't very convincing.
> 

Neither is one which, in this day and age, preaches that evolution is 
just a belief.

-- 
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped 
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
 




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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-01 11:00:54 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-03-01 11:36:46 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-03-03 17:02:40 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-03-09 11:59:44 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-01 20:35:24 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 22:29:15 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 17:43:36 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 23:04:36 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:11:06 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 23:35:01 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:37:16 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:40:53 
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"Mary" <mary  2008-03-02 00:13:35 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 01:34:19 
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"Gordon L. Richard&q  2008-03-02 20:23:46 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-02 19:55:08 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-03-03 17:03:49 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-02 05:28:20 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-02 02:18:02 
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"Mary" <mary  2008-03-02 09:08:55 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-03 03:57:06 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:03:22 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:03:05 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 10:31:35 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-03 03:54:02 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-02 02:17:03 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 10:24:52 
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"John Smith" &l  2008-03-02 11:39:08 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 15:25:30 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:10:24 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-02 08:32:44 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 15:23:45 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-02 11:23:08 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:09:19 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-07 16:59:03 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 10:57:09 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-01 19:13:39 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 01:04:52 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-03 19:42:01 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-11 16:40:01 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 21:16:19 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-02 05:06:11 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-01 19:28:34 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-01 17:57:46 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-02 11:32:16 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-02 15:23:52 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-03 13:11:04 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-05 01:41:19 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-05 05:35:56 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-05 09:12:57 
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"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-03-06 09:53:52 

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