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Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS.

by "Malcolm McLean" <regniztar@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM

"Uncle Vic" <address@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:Xns9A54DA7AED6FCvicman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "Malcolm McLean" <regniztar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
>> The truth is that a lot of atheist arguments boil down to what I call
>> the "writing on the Moon" argument. If God exists, surely He'd make it
>> completely untenable to hold the position that He doesn't exist. To an
>> extent that's a legitimate argument, but a riposte can be "if there
>> was no God surely we'd have made belief in Him totally untenable by
>> now".
>
> Unfortunately, the believers have fool-proofed the arguments by
>
> 1. Making it a mortal sin to question your beliefs.
> 2. Prescribing a punishment for disbelief so unfoundedly horrible that
no
> one would dare lose the faith.
> 3. Making examples of heretics and unbelievers by puni****ng them 
> publically
> and horribly. (Of course, they cannot do this legally any more.)
> 4. Early childhood brainwa****ng.
> 5. Blocking the teaching of the sciences which plant seeds of doubt by
> contradicting religious teaching, then supplying undeniable evidence to
> sup****t it.
> 6. Rationalizing (ie changing) the dogma itself to conform to that which

> we
> know about reality wich contradicts the old dogma.
>
> It's not working, though.  Educated people are leaving the church in
> droves.  Some day there will be a world (less the Middle East) free of
the
> shackles of religion.  Not in my lifetime, sadly...
>
Either the arguments are fool-proofed or educated people are leaving in 
droves. Take your pick.

In fact the intellectually tenable religion, liberal Christianity, is
losing 
people in droves. This is because it has been artificially welded to
secular 
ethics in ***uality and other areas. A church that ordains practising 
homo***uals isn't very convincing.

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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-01 11:00:54 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-03-01 11:36:46 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-03-03 17:02:40 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-03-09 11:59:44 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-01 20:35:24 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 22:29:15 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 17:43:36 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 23:04:36 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:11:06 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 23:35:01 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:37:16 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-01 18:40:53 
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"Mary" <mary  2008-03-02 00:13:35 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 01:34:19 
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"Gordon L. Richard&q  2008-03-02 20:23:46 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-02 19:55:08 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-03-03 17:03:49 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-02 05:28:20 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-02 02:18:02 
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"Mary" <mary  2008-03-02 09:08:55 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-03 03:57:06 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:03:22 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:03:05 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 10:31:35 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2008-03-03 03:54:02 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-02 02:17:03 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 10:24:52 
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"John Smith" &l  2008-03-02 11:39:08 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 15:25:30 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:10:24 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-02 08:32:44 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-02 15:23:45 
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Christopher A. Lee <ca  2008-03-02 11:23:08 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-03-06 02:09:19 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-07 16:59:03 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 10:57:09 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-01 19:13:39 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-02 01:04:52 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-03 19:42:01 
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"TomP" <th_o  2008-03-11 16:40:01 
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"Malcolm McLean"  2008-03-01 21:16:19 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-02 05:06:11 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-01 19:28:34 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-01 17:57:46 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-02 11:32:16 
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"Mike Painter"   2008-03-02 15:23:52 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-03 13:11:04 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Mike Painter"   2008-03-05 01:41:19 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Pastor Frank"   2008-03-05 05:35:56 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Mike Painter"   2008-03-05 09:12:57 
Re: CLEAR INFORMATION PROVING NO GODS OF ATHEIST DEFINITION EXIS
"Mark K. Bilbo"  2008-03-06 09:53:52 

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