DanielSan wrote:
> Pastor Frank said the following on 2/18/2008 6:09 PM:
> > "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:5JadnXhbA_hBEiTanZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Pastor Frank said the following on 2/13/2008 6:11 PM:
> >>> "BIll M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>> news:_kHsj.71376$vt2.7539@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> Where is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY real gods
> >>>> exist?
> >>> You keep ignoring the evidence, Bill. I have a lots of existing
gods
> >>> for sale, but you have yet to make an offer. Is it, that you don't
want
> >>> to change Pastor Frank
> >>>
> >>> "GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
> >>> The word "God" is not a proper name but a title of a position of
> >>> whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against
> >>> which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48)
> >>> I.e. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: "...the god
(theos)
> >>> of
> >>> this world", i.e. reality. And again in Philippians 3:19, Paul says
there
> >>> are people: "...whose God (theos) is their belly", i.e. pleasure.
Jesus
> >>> tells us in Jn:4:24 that His "GOD IS A SPIRIT", (i.e. akin to a
quality
> >>> of
> >>> attitude, like love and care in a person), and "they that wor****p
him
> >>> must
> >>> wor****p him in spirit and in truth." Jesus explains further in John
> >>> 14:6-10:
> >>> Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man
> >>> cometh
> >>> unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known
my
> >>> Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM."
> >>> Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it
sufficeth
> >>> us."
> >>> Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet
hast
> >>> thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
> >>> and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not
that I
> >>> am
> >>> in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you
I
> >>> speak
> >>> not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE
WORKS."
> >>> Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
> >>> Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who
> >>> believes
> >>> in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me
sees
> >>> Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that
whoever
> >>> believes in me should not abide in darkness."
> >>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees,
when
> >>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The
kingdom
> >>> of
> >>> God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here!
or, lo
> >>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
> >>> 1Jn:4:8: He that LOVETH not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
> >>> 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the LOVE that God hath
to
> >>> us.
> >>> GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in LOVE dwelleth in God, and God
in
> >>> him.
> >>> Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye
LOVE
> >>> one
> >>> another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.
> >>> Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my
> >>> disciples,
> >>> if ye have LOVE one to another.
> >>> Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye LOVE one
> >>> another,
> >>> as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man
lay
> >>> down
> >>> his life for his friends.
> >>> Acts:17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as
> >>> certain
> >>> also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
> >>> Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our
most
> >>> secret thoughts.
> >>> Heb:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for
ever and
> >>> ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
> >> Using the Bible as evidence for the existence of gods is similar to
using
> >> the Harry Potter books as evidence for the existence of magic.
> >>
> > Nonsense! Each religion is a philosophy of life, resting on it's
> > founding scriptures and none else. Even atheism has its holy
scripture,
>
> Where can I find this "scripture"? I ask because I never read it.
>
> > however brief, resting on belief and faith only and without any
> > corroborating evidence. I.e. There ain't no god(s).
>
> Sorry, but that's not how it works. I am not operating on belief or
> faith that "there ain't no gods".
>
> > True believers will not
> > be swayed in their beliefs AKA disbeliefs by museums full of existing
gods,
> > many of them superb pieces of ancient art.
>
> What "existing gods"?
He means carved gpds, as opposed to his imaginary one
>
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