Pastor Frank said the following on 2/18/2008 6:09 PM:
> "DanielSan" <danielsan1977@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Pastor Frank said the following on 2/13/2008 6:11 PM:
>>> "BIll M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Where is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY real gods
>>>> exist?
>>> You keep ignoring the evidence, Bill. I have a lots of existing
gods
>>> for sale, but you have yet to make an offer. Is it, that you don't
want
>>> to change Pastor Frank
>>>
>>> "GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
>>> The word "God" is not a proper name but a title of a position of
>>> whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against
>>> which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48)
>>> I.e. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: "...the god
(theos)
>>> of
>>> this world", i.e. reality. And again in Philippians 3:19, Paul says
there
>>> are people: "...whose God (theos) is their belly", i.e. pleasure.
Jesus
>>> tells us in Jn:4:24 that His "GOD IS A SPIRIT", (i.e. akin to a
quality
>>> of
>>> attitude, like love and care in a person), and "they that wor****p him
>>> must
>>> wor****p him in spirit and in truth." Jesus explains further in John
>>> 14:6-10:
>>> Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man
>>> cometh
>>> unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known
my
>>> Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM."
>>> Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth
>>> us."
>>> Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
>>> thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
>>> and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that
I
>>> am
>>> in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I
>>> speak
>>> not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE
WORKS."
>>> Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
>>> Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who
>>> believes
>>> in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me
sees
>>> Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
>>> believes in me should not abide in darkness."
>>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees,
when
>>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The
kingdom
>>> of
>>> God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or,
lo
>>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
>>> 1Jn:4:8: He that LOVETH not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
>>> 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the LOVE that God hath to
>>> us.
>>> GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in LOVE dwelleth in God, and God in
>>> him.
>>> Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE
>>> one
>>> another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.
>>> Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my
>>> disciples,
>>> if ye have LOVE one to another.
>>> Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye LOVE one
>>> another,
>>> as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man
lay
>>> down
>>> his life for his friends.
>>> Acts:17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as
>>> certain
>>> also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
>>> Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our
most
>>> secret thoughts.
>>> Heb:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and
>>> ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
>> Using the Bible as evidence for the existence of gods is similar to
using
>> the Harry Potter books as evidence for the existence of magic.
>>
> Nonsense! Each religion is a philosophy of life, resting on it's
> founding scriptures and none else. Even atheism has its holy scripture,
Where can I find this "scripture"? I ask because I never read it.
> however brief, resting on belief and faith only and without any
> corroborating evidence. I.e. There ain't no god(s).
Sorry, but that's not how it works. I am not operating on belief or
faith that "there ain't no gods".
> True believers will not
> be swayed in their beliefs AKA disbeliefs by museums full of existing
gods,
> many of them superb pieces of ancient art.
What "existing gods"?
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