Pastor Frank said the following on 2/13/2008 6:11 PM:
> "BIll M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> Where is there ANY objective verifiable evidence that ANY real gods
exist?
>>
> You keep ignoring the evidence, Bill. I have a lots of existing gods
for
> sale, but you have yet to make an offer. Is it, that you don't want to
> change your beliefs nor disbeliefs?
>
> Pastor Frank
>
> "GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
> The word "God" is not a proper name but a title of a position of
> whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against
> which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48)
> I.e. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: "...the god (theos)
of
> this world", i.e. reality. And again in Philippians 3:19, Paul says
there
> are people: "...whose God (theos) is their belly", i.e. pleasure. Jesus
> tells us in Jn:4:24 that His "GOD IS A SPIRIT", (i.e. akin to a quality
of
> attitude, like love and care in a person), and "they that wor****p him
must
> wor****p him in spirit and in truth." Jesus explains further in John
14:6-10:
> Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man
cometh
> unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my
> Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM."
> Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth
us."
> Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
> thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
> and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I
am
> in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I
speak
> not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
> Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
> Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who
believes
> in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me
sees
> Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
> believes in me should not abide in darkness."
> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees,
when
> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom
of
> God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
> 1Jn:4:8: He that LOVETH not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
> 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the LOVE that God hath to
us.
> GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in LOVE dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
> Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE
one
> another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.
> Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my
disciples,
> if ye have LOVE one to another.
> Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye LOVE one
another,
> as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man lay
down
> his life for his friends.
> Acts:17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
> also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
> Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
> secret thoughts.
> Heb:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and
> ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Using the Bible as evidence for the existence of gods is similar to
using the Harry Potter books as evidence for the existence of magic.
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