"bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> JTEM wrote:
>> "BIll M" <wm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Where is there ANY objective verifiable evidence
>> > that ANY real gods exist?
>>
>> *Sigh*
>> Who cares? Really. You want atheists to turn into
>> bunch of annoying, prostylizing twits -- the equal
>> opposite of the fundies? Is that it?
>> If not, then let it go. Seriously. Just let it go. Why
>> someone does or doesn't "believe" is irrelevant.
>
> Hardly irrelevent when they kill those of a different belief
> and it is happening all the time.
>
You mean like atheists killed in the name of atheism as per below?
Pastor Frank
Preamble to: THE FRUITS OF MILITANT ATHEISM in the new USSR
By Brian Moynahan/The Faith: A History of Christianity/Doubleday,
NY/2002/pp. 670-674.
The unenlightened ego, with its drive to power and social control,
has been problematic both inside and outside of religion. The
preceding examples show the militant atheist ego at its murderous
worst. They also reveal that religionists are not the only people who
cower in the herd, as is shown by the Stalinists' pathetic recourse to
'atheist churches' such as the LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS
and the Groups of THE GODLESS YOUTH, complete with 'hymns.'
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A decree in January 1918... banned religious teaching in all
schools, colleges, and universities. All church buildings were taken
by the state... Church and monastic land was nationalized. No
compensation was offered for confiscated assets... Under the new
constitution, the clergy - together with capitalists, criminals, and
imbeciles - were deprived of the right to vote or hold state offices.
In practice this denied the clergy the right to food rations and their
children to education... the Orthodox Church was stripped of its legal
privileges, its land, and its source of income...
Calculated persecution returned after the Bolshevik victory in
1921. Lenin sanctioned terror as a form of pesticide to be used on
people whom he dehumanized as "harmful insects...scoundrel
fleas...bedbugs"... Émigrés estimated that 1200 priests and 28
bishops had been killed by 1923, and thousands of others, with monks
and nuns, were de****ted.
On Easter Day, 1925, the foundation congress of THE LEAGUE OF THE
MILITANT GODLESS was held. Its duty was to eradicate religion through
propaganda, pressure, and ridicule...
The method that Stalin used to force the peasantry onto collective
farms was terror-famine, and the result was a holocaust. Boris
Paster****, who made a trip to gather material on collectivization,
found himself dumb with horror. "What I saw could not be expressed in
words... There was such inhuman, unimaginable misery, such a terrible
disaster, that it began to seem almost abstract, it would not fit
within the bounds of consciousness." Grain was confiscated from
starving families to gain hard currency for Stalin's industrialization
program... It is probable that fourteen million peasants died...
Communist activists led the grain searches, shot hoarders, and
herded families onto de****tation trans****ts as a matter of dogma; they
were pitiless, for dogma demanded "no concessions to
rightist-deviationist attitudes" and "no pacifism."...
Terror, and scientific atheism, was also applied to the Church.
Stalin introduced a Law of religious Associations in 1929 that banned
churches from all work with children and young people. Churches were
not allowed to organize reading rooms, libraries, excursions,
children's playgrounds, sewing groups, or bible readings; they could
not sponsor sanatoria or medical care; their priests were forbidden to
take part in any activity outside the immediate neighbourhood of the
"prayer building," the new name for "church." An attempt was made to
extinguish religion as a whole. The fury fell most harshly on the
Orthodox clergy, but thousands of other Christian priests, Baptists,
Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholics,and mullahs and rabbis...were also
persecuted... some were shot, though most of those arrested suffered a
lingering death in the work camps of Siberia and the Arctic. Others
lived on the run...
Member****p in THE LEAGUE OF THE MILITANT GODLESS reached five
million by 1935. Children between eight and fourteen were enrolled in
GROUPS OF GODLESS YOUTH before graduating to Komsomol, the League of
Communist Youth. Prizes were offered for the best "godless hymns" and
to children who denounced their parents for voicing anti-Party
sentiments... Only one in forty churches survived; the others were
smashed to rubble or turned into warehouses, offices, and museums.
The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow was destroyed with
dynamite, although care was taken to do so in the dead of night. A
Palace of Soviets topped by a huge statue of Lenin was to be built in
its place, but the site had weak foundations and it was used for a
giant open-air swimming pool instead. No churches or meeting places
were permitted in the new industrial cities...
In statistical terms the Godless looked to have won. There were
163 Orthodox bishops in 1914, and by 1939 only four survived in
freedom; of the old body of clergy 51,105 clergy, the number still in
their parishes was in the hundreds... "Religion is like a nail,"
Yaroslavsky wearily admitted. "The harder you strike it, the deeper
it goes."
Stalin's role in the fortunes of the Russian Orthodox Church is
complex. Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in its near-
extinction: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds
(down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens
of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed.
Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937-38. During World
War II, however, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic
organization, after the NKVD had recruited the new metropolitan, the
first after the revolution, as a secret agent. Thousands of parishes
were reactivated, until a further round of suppression in Khrushchev's
time.
The Russian Orthodox Church Synod's recognition of the Soviet
government and of Stalin personally led to a schism with the Russian
Orthodox Church Outside Russia that remains not fully healed to the
present day.
Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects were outlawed
and persecuted. Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet
Union, including the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam,
Buddhism, Judaism, etc. underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches
in other parts: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of
churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and
other religious buildings were razed.
This was the great secular humanistic experiment, a people without God
who would inaugerate a new age, were being human and humane would be
synonimous. It had the sup****t of the entire intelligencia, and yet,
...the
end thereof was death and destruction on a massive scale.
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> LEST WE FORGET: Atheists mass murdered over 100 million people
> in the last 83 years of the 20th century alone? You can find a
> most illuminating and interesting summary of historical mass murder
> at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/.
> The combined killings done by Jews, Christians, and Moslems
> throughout history don't compare with the slaughter perpetrated
> by atheists in a single century.
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