"Midwinter" <midwinter_m@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Semper LibčrŽ" <nopolicestates????!?Hje77@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said :
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> > In other words you agree its proof of a creator... you just can't
> > place the start of the singularity.
>
> No, you misunderstand. *If* the complexity of the universe means that
it
> requires a creator, then it follows that the creator also requires a
> creator.
Where did you get the idea I didn't understand it? It seems that your
understanding of a singularity in this context is what is lacking... The
concept of God being omniscient is not new, it is the foundation of both
the
old and new testament - surprize, surprize.
>The creator of the creator will also require a creator. In
> that case, there is no 'start': it's turtles all the way down. Because
> there is no start to that chain, there is no ultimate creator - each
> creator has a creator of its own, back into eternity.
Which is what I sifted from your statement.... It is precisely that
"eternity" that is in fact the "starting" point, which does not require
any
'incremental infinite decrease' from there forward...
The vital element is that *intelligence* expressed in our visable world
came
from *intelligence*. You're just adding an incomprehensible element of
"graduated eternity" into the formula to confound and confuse the logical
element. If this accomplished anything, its that you've established that
intelligence must have existed at some point by which the idea of a linear
beginning has no relevance or meaning - no actual beginning as such.
That is pretty much what we gleen from the following proverb....
everlasting
came from everlasting. Its a concept beyond our limited capacity to fully
understand. The only part we can understand is the observable intelligence
we see, which is purposeful, balanced and organized - and that is where
our
watchmaker fits the illustration. We recognize intelligence comes from
intelligence... we don't recognize eternity.
Proverbs 8:23 I have been established from everlasting, From the
beginning,
before there was ever an earth.
There is no paradox here... just the inevitable result of trying to
understand the equivalent of a four dimensional concept in a three
dimensional world. We don't throw out what we know with what we can't
fully
know. To say your computer [or FITB] couldn't be the result of
intelligence
because doing so requires us to trace it back to infinity is, to me at
least,
absurd.
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