"Michael" <newsuser3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.02.05.04.20.05.755914@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:25:26 -0500, Bill M wrote:
>
>>
>> I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence
>> that
>> their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who will accept the challenge???
>
> I challenge you to give me a pure gold coin made of silver. I know that
Straw man.
> you cannot do it, because the definition of pure gold coin excludes
making
> it from silver.
>
> Likewise, the definition of God, or any that I have encountered,
preclude
> "objective, verifiable evidence".
Then God is no different than Harry Potter, Leprechans, or the
Easter Bunny.
Many claim the Bible is not just evidence of God but
his actual words. But you are saying the Bible is not
even evidence of God.
>
> In fact, you cannot even produce objective, verifiable evidence that G.
> Bush is the President of the United States. Oh, you can produce
newspaper
> re****ts, you might even produce the man himself should it happen that he
> is at your beck and call. But how will I know this man is indeed the
> president? I cannot.
Are you a solipsist?
> A two million man army at his command is
> persuasive, but of course, he would have to present all two million of
> them to me to REALLY convince me.
>
> Suppose the FBI comes calling and show you their identification. How
can
> you prove it is genuine FBI identification? You cannot; at best you can
> see that it resembles the first one you ever saw. If the FBI published
> specifications so as to enable verification, it would also enable
> counterfeit.
>
> So, I do not accept your stupid challenge, and I hope you do not accept
my
> equally stupid challenge to produce a gold coin made out of silver.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of your challenge.
>
> Perhaps you are thinking that someone WANTS to convince you of something
> that you have set up to be impossible. If God wishes it, then it will
Then nothing that happens is against his will?
9/11 was not against his will?
Or is his will ineffective?
> happen; it is not for anyone else to make happen. That is the way it is
> with gods. They do what they want, and they do not do what they do not
> want to do.
How many gods are there?
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