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Re: SO MANY GODS

by Midwinter <midwinter_m@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 22, 2008 at 09:20 AM

"Jeckyl" <noone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said :

> So the evidence you claim for Jesus existing is stories that were
> written (at best) many decades (if not centuries) afterward his
> supposed death by those with an obvious agenda to promote such stories
> as true. 

Personally, I have no problem with the idea of Jesus existing 
historically as a man.  That doesn't stretch credulity or bend any known 
physical laws.  And as we know from the likes of Elvis, or Diana, 
Princess of Wales, people can become popular legends very quickly indeed. 

What we're told about Jesus even a few decades after the fact might bear 
no resemblance at all to the man himself or what he might actually have 
said and done.

I have more of a problem with the idea that a historical Jesus - if 
indeed there was one - would have turned water into wine, or raised the 
dead, because that goes against our current understanding of the way the 
world works.  In order for me to accept that, there's got to be evidence 
- and more than one source (even a collection of associated sources) 
saying that he did it.  Which isn't to say that there mightn't be some 
*symbolic* significance in these stories of miracles.  The modern mind 
has trouble dealing with the idea of 'truth' being anything other than 
absolute, literal, it-happened-just-like-it-says truth.  If it isn't that 
kind of truth, then to our minds it's an evil lie, obviously intended to 
deceive.  It's that mentality that brings us Creation literalists: they 
can't accommodate the notion that a story can have mythological merit 
without necessarily being a historical account of what happened.  But 
ancient societies could handle mythology and legend far more gracefully 
and rationally than we seem to.

The problem with devoting all your attention to ru****ng at the preferred 
conclusion is that it sometimes leads to baby-and-bathwater situations: 
many of those keen to disprove Christianity have decided that *any* 
possibility of a historical Jesus must be denied in order to do so.  It 
needn't.  If it's your goal to undermine the strict tenets of historical 
Christianity then all that's required is to show that there's no evidence 
that he was anything other than a man.
 




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SO MANY GODS
"Bill M" <wm  2008-01-15 11:10:58 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-01-15 11:45:06 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-01-15 10:58:20 
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Richard Anacker <116@[  2008-01-15 18:08:51 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-01-15 12:13:48 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-01-15 12:19:51 
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"Bill M" <wm  2008-01-15 16:08:22 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-01-16 08:46:27 
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"Bill M" <wm  2008-01-16 14:00:20 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-01-16 16:56:00 
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"Geoff" <geb  2008-01-16 12:15:29 
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cactus <cactus@[EMAIL   2008-01-15 11:10:29 
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"Bill M" <wm  2008-01-15 16:19:16 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22booboo_  2008-01-15 16:36:10 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-01-16 07:39:04 
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"Robert Weldon"  2008-01-16 16:10:16 
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"Geoff" <geb  2008-01-16 12:24:21 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-01-16 17:04:22 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-19 23:19:01 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-01-22 14:39:16 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-22 23:40:24 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-22 09:20:47 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 10:47:41 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-22 17:46:44 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-23 11:17:34 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 19:24:22 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-22 19:39:37 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 21:00:15 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-23 17:35:34 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 07:04:22 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-23 23:39:09 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 09:16:41 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 09:42:45 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 06:22:53 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 08:59:14 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 11:12:17 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 12:48:36 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 13:31:40 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 14:41:40 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 09:33:30 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 17:59:38 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 10:24:01 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 09:27:24 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 17:59:10 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 10:23:27 
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"George Wright"  2008-01-22 19:48:58 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-22 19:41:16 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 20:20:41 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 06:22:50 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 08:55:36 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 13:58:46 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 15:21:53 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 09:25:04 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-23 17:25:05 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-24 09:33:49 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-23 11:16:45 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 19:38:12 
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"Jeckyl" <no  2008-01-23 11:15:25 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2008-01-22 19:36:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-22 07:01:02 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-01-22 16:15:33 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-22 20:46:05 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-01-23 15:28:07 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-23 23:21:02 
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Steve Hayes <hayesmstw  2008-01-29 10:10:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-02-01 23:33:01 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-22 20:46:03 
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Epi-Sode <ph667@[EMAIL  2008-01-23 20:26:46 
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Midwinter <midwinter_m  2008-01-23 06:23:55 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-01-23 23:22:02 
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Epi-Sode <ph667@[EMAIL  2008-01-24 19:48:06 
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Epi-Sode <ph667@[EMAIL  2008-01-24 19:47:54 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-01-20 05:59:35 
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"Geoff" <geb  2008-01-16 12:20:56 
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"sameold" <m  2008-03-14 14:56:21 
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Blattus  2008-03-14 10:16:45 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-15 13:22:21 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-03-16 07:43:39 
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"BIll M" <wm  2008-03-16 14:58:36 

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