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Re: ATHEISM MAKES NO SENSE

by bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Dec 30, 2007 at 10:31 PM

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:7ywdj.47671$rc2.4750@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > "duke" <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:qnlcn3hria5futg0iuc50t9ccm7ps80rav@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On 28 Dec 2007 23:32:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> >I'd be happy if just one God (any God) would show up somewhere
except
> >>>> >in peoples hopes and dreams.
> >>
> >>>> Sorry, but that's God's decision, and it's not changing.
> >>>YEP that is one thing we can be SURE about
> >>
> >>>[God must be very lucky Duke to have you speaking so clearly on 'His'
> >>>behalf]
> >>
> >> My God told me to do this.
> >
> > That is known as hallucinating! Get some medical help.
>     You have to be an atheist, fuming of not foaming at the mouth, to
> consider the holy and inerrant Word of almighty God, our NT Bible that
tells
> us what to do, "hallucination".
>     You should post to flame groups, Bill!!! I will add some to the
header
> for you.

Bill was worried about your mantal state and after rading the above i am
too.

Can you not find it in your heart to thank us for our concern?

Bob

>
>
> Pastor Frank
>
>             THE GREAT COMMISSION
>     Jesus in Mat 5:14-16: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is
set
> on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it
under a
> bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in
the
> house. Let your light so ****ne before men, that they may see your good
> works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
>     Jesus in Mat 28:19,20: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
> baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
> Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
> commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end
> of the world. Amen.
>     2Cor:3:6: Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;
> not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the
spirit
> giveth life.
>     Jesus in Mt:7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither
cast
> ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,
and
> turn again and rend you.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
 




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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-27 20:00:35 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2007-12-27 20:08:06 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-27 19:41:01 
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"Ghamph" <gh  2007-12-27 21:03:34 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:14:01 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:44:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 10:06:46 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 19:41:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:30:58 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:14:46 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 10:18:04 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:15:27 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 22:29:06 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:51:25 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-12-28 01:30:46 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-28 06:46:46 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-29 08:15:47 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-29 13:38:43 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-29 14:14:32 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-29 13:04:17 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:08:10 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:45:04 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:07:48 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:08:34 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:45:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:09:09 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 19:47:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:35:11 
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Stan-O <bander@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 23:58:22 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-12-29 06:01:25 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:15:14 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-27 19:40:01 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-28 06:47:50 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-28 11:14:05 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-29 08:16:35 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:15:02 
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"Ghamph" <gh  2007-12-27 21:02:10 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-28 01:06:40 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-27 22:19:21 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:35:07 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-29 11:22:19 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-12-29 21:08:52 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 10:02:55 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 19:48:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:36:40 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-31 11:55:43 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 16:25:37 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-01-10 13:29:31 
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"Budd Cochran"   2008-01-10 15:37:06 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-28 05:04:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 09:40:00 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:46:03 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2007-12-28 06:13:47 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 09:53:13 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:25:56 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-28 06:45:38 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-28 11:15:53 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-28 20:13:02 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-29 08:17:21 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-28 23:32:03 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-29 09:36:35 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-30 06:56:12 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-30 09:39:48 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-29 13:41:49 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-29 14:15:54 
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les_on_usenet <delete-  2007-12-29 21:14:22 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2007-12-29 14:22:06 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 12:39:20 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:47:02 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-30 14:39:46 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 04:33:05 
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Earle Jones <earle.jon  2007-12-30 17:17:56 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:26:57 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 22:31:05 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:47:02 
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St. Jackanapes <larry_  2008-01-15 22:59:27 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 15:39:32 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-12-29 21:14:05 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-30 11:24:18 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 15:55:52 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-30 13:15:06 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 19:49:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 03:03:45 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:14:33 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 09:28:25 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 01:32:07 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 15:37:56 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 20:00:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:40:17 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-28 01:22:49 
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DanielSan <petersonj07  2007-12-27 22:32:57 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-28 11:20:07 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 15:36:12 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:49:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:13:37 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 20:00:04 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-01-10 14:21:10 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:56:01 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-28 05:07:03 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-29 03:50:17 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 03:37:02 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:50:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 11:24:48 
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scottrichter422@[EMAIL PR  2007-12-30 10:50:20 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-29 13:33:18 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 23:58:03 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-30 07:29:04 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 20:03:02 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-31 04:50:24 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 15:38:53 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 20:05:03 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 11:31:40 
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Steve Knight <wooly51@  2007-12-30 19:51:02 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 22:34:14 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:46:01 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 20:26:13 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 15:24:05 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 09:51:01 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-28 06:45:02 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-29 13:55:18 
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duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2007-12-30 06:56:41 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-30 11:28:58 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 00:01:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 15:38:26 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-30 22:36:16 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-31 02:57:03 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-28 14:07:34 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-28 15:21:09 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-28 22:16:17 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-12-28 17:32:21 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 17:13:28 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 15:02:58 
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scottrichter422@[EMAIL PR  2007-12-30 08:23:29 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 05:43:57 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 14:15:00 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-28 22:22:01 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 06:03:06 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 17:16:15 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 15:08:08 
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Hannele <hannele@[EMAI  2007-12-29 01:31:58 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-29 09:38:41 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-12-29 05:56:15 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 04:20:35 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-12-29 05:05:02 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-12-29 14:02:34 
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Hannele <hannele@[EMAI  2007-12-29 23:23:00 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 05:51:34 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-12-29 06:59:39 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 15:37:32 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 15:49:42 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-30 13:08:52 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-28 18:17:03 
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"Kevin Ward" &l  2007-12-29 10:04:11 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-29 06:55:37 
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Michael Gray <mikegray  2007-12-30 07:39:37 
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Feng <Feng@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-29 17:07:18 
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Virgil <Virgil@[EMAIL   2007-12-28 17:07:30 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-29 14:19:46 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-12-28 07:15:41 
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yowie <arndalebilo@[EM  2007-12-31 08:06:42 

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