Re: RELIGION VERSUS ATHEISM

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:476483EF.DB7FD90B@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Michael wrote:
> >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:55:01 -0600, bob young wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Since you dance around this topic, sometimes believing, sometimes
not,
> >> >> it
> >> >> would be difficult to have an interesting discussion on this
topic.
> >> >
> >> > You sound just like religionist trying to assure others
> >> > that the bible is all true and the word of a god.
> >>
> >> Actually, it was an invitation for you to comment on how much of the
book
> >> you consider to be true and worth quoting.  I have not so far made
any
> >> comment on how much of it *I* consider true.
> >
> > None of the book can be verified, by me or anyone else, apart from
general
> > comments about known historical facts of the time.  But these could
well
> > have
> > been written afterwards, popssibly hundreds of years afterwards. 
Since we
> > don't know when, debate on veracity is pointless
> >
>     Bob looks at the Bible as being an out of date science and history
text
> book. LOL

Looks rather like the laugh is on you:  [See below]

ON THE PERMANENCY OF THE EARTH

"... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the
works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2 Peter 3:10

ON SEEING GOD
"... I have seen God face to face ..." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18

ON HUMAN SACRIFICE

"... Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to
Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God..." --
Leviticus 18:21

In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites
against the Ammonites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this
good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly
on his side. So he prayed to god:

"... If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into
mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the
doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children
of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a
burnt offering" -- Judges 11:30-31

The terms were acceptable to god -- remember, he is supposed to be
omniscient and know the future -- so he gave victory to Jephthah, and
the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his
daughter, as god surelyknew would happen, if god is god. True to his
vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god! --
Judges  11:29-34

ON THE POWER OF GOD

"... with God all things are possible." --  Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the
mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19



At times it can be fun chatting with religionists,
but there are times when it leaves me feeling rather sad

Bob
Humanist Brit.



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